[rionablue]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

I am quite a bit older than some, a female who grew up in the pre feminism era.

What gets me today is that although girls in the BB house are happy to let the world see their bits and pieces, they see quite unable to cope with or reject any advances without acting like some damsel in distress.

Is it that I learnt the hard way to tell blokes to keep their hands to themselves or else without the histrionics we saw tonight. Yes, it was in appropriate, but the man was drunk, vomiting and by the look of what he was smoking, quite high.

It seemed to be a drunken fumble and a sharp elbow or knee in his groin area would have left him far more reticent to try again than some tears, hand waving and hysteria.

On the other hand she is up for eviction, the sympathy vote would be useful for her but with Kens behaviour, I think she is safe enough.

Chloe was not playing for the sympathy vote tonight.Her tears were genuine and I would have don EXACTLY the same in that situation. Chloe didn't lock herself into the toilet with Jeremy. The other girls were in there too. I reckon Michelle might have given him that sharp elbow you mention but Chloe is made of different stuff

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

I am quite a bit older than some, a female who grew up in the pre feminism era.

What gets me today is that although girls in the BB house are happy to let the world see their bits and pieces, they see quite unable to cope with or reject any advances without acting like some damsel in distress.

Is it that I learnt the hard way to tell blokes to keep their hands to themselves or else without the histrionics we saw tonight. Yes, it was in appropriate, but the man was drunk, vomiting and by the look of what he was smoking, quite high.

It seemed to be a drunken fumble and a sharp elbow or knee in his groin area would have left him far more reticent to try again than some tears, hand waving and hysteria.

On the other hand she is up for eviction, the sympathy vote would be useful for her but with Kens behaviour, I think she is safe enough.

Well im sorry to say but it seems that pre feminism era you supposedly grew up in has spat you out as a walking talking hypocrite.

Seriously this post makes me depressed, to you girls should expect to be groped for wearing revealing clothes? How are you pro female? It seems to me your mind set is very much still in the 60's/70's and you're a victim of your time.

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Well im sorry to say but it seems that pre feminism era you supposedly grew up in has spat you out as a walking talking hypocrite.

Seriously this post makes me depressed, to you girls should expect to be groped for wearing revealing clothes? How are you pro female? It seems to me your mind set is very much still in the 60's/70's and you're a victim of your time.

It seems that you are trying to insult her.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by MojoNixon

It seems that you are trying to insult her.

It seems you're trying to troll my posts.

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

It seems you're trying to troll my posts.

No, you are hypocrite. Every time i say something to you, you do report me. But it's ok that you have right to insult everyone else, if they don't agree with you?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

I am quite a bit older than some, a female who grew up in the pre feminism era.

What gets me today is that although girls in the BB house are happy to let the world see their bits and pieces, they see quite unable to cope with or reject any advances without acting like some damsel in distress.

Is it that I learnt the hard way to tell blokes to keep their hands to themselves or else without the histrionics we saw tonight. Yes, it was in appropriate, but the man was drunk, vomiting and by the look of what he was smoking, quite high.

It seemed to be a drunken fumble and a sharp elbow or knee in his groin area would have left him far more reticent to try again than some tears, hand waving and hysteria.

On the other hand she is up for eviction, the sympathy vote would be useful for her but with Kens behaviour, I think she is safe enough.

..that's it though..they are happy to show their bodies/their choice which is completely different from him pulling her robe open...and if she had kneed or elbowed him in the groin then that would have been assault...

[mr rochester]

Callum Best prompted Jeremy by saying 'he thought she had a swimsuit on underneath her robe'. Up until then Jeremy had not voiced that...

[Withano]

It's disgusting. There's a thread on this forum that asks other members to 'keep Ken in'. I don't understand how "entertainment" is so important to anybody that disgraceful behaviour should be rewarded.

There are people on here that have airtime trump morality and those people need to get a grip.

[LukeB]

thought it was unfair Ken got to stay tbh

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by LukeB

thought it was unfair Ken got to stay tbh

I absolutely agree with you on that Luke. ken should have been out on his ****ing rear end when he made the first horrible sexual comment but he was kept in after making others and using an inappropriate word do describe people of colour. He was then given a warning at the end. it should have been three strikes and he was out and he did much more than three tonight!!!!!!!!!!!

[Vicky.]

I don't blame Chloe for what happened at all. I do feel she overreacted though however thats probably because I have been in similar situations before and have just told the guy to **** off basically and thats that. I accept that everyones different though but I did think it was quite OTT.

I feel a lot of those vilifying Jeremy for being pissed and stupid are being silly though. He didn't grope the girl, he didn't even touch her. Yes it was inappropriate but to make out it was anything more than basically a drunken pass is making this whole thing more sinister than it needs to be really...

Also I feel the Daley/Hazel thing was a completely different ballgame an a hell of a lot more serious. And I dont think Hazel flirting or 'play acting' makes a difference to how we should view that situation to be honest :S

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't blame Chloe for what happened at all. I do feel she overreacted though however thats probably because I have been in similar situations before and have just told the guy to **** off basically and thats that. I accept that everyones different though but I did think it was quite OTT.

I feel a lot of those vilifying Jeremy for being pissed and stupid are being silly though. He didn't grope the girl, he didn't even touch her. Yes it was inappropriate but to make out it was anything more than basically a drunken pass is making this whole thing more sinister than it needs to be really...

Also I feel the Daley/Hazel thing was a completely different ballgame an a hell of a lot more serious. And I dont think Hazel flirting or 'play acting' makes a difference to how we should view that situation to be honest :S

This

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't blame Chloe for what happened at all. I do feel she overreacted though however thats probably because I have been in similar situations before and have just told the guy to **** off basically and thats that. I accept that everyones different though but I did think it was quite OTT.

I feel a lot of those vilifying Jeremy for being pissed and stupid are being silly though. He didn't grope the girl, he didn't even touch her. Yes it was inappropriate but to make out it was anything more than basically a drunken pass is making this whole thing more sinister than it needs to be really...

Also I feel the Daley/Hazel thing was a completely different ballgame an a hell of a lot more serious. And I dont think Hazel flirting or 'play acting' makes a difference to how we should view that situation to be honest :S

We have no idea what happened there was no footage shows of the incident just the sound of her shock then walking out.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

We have no idea what happened there was no footage shows of the incident just the sound of her shock then walking out.

They both said he pulled the robe

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

We have no idea what happened there was no footage shows of the incident just the sound of her shock then walking out.

Well they both described the same thing so I assume thats what happened

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't blame Chloe for what happened at all. I do feel she overreacted though however thats probably because I have been in similar situations before and have just told the guy to **** off basically and thats that. I accept that everyones different though but I did think it was quite OTT.

I feel a lot of those vilifying Jeremy for being pissed and stupid are being silly though. He didn't grope the girl, he didn't even touch her. Yes it was inappropriate but to make out it was anything more than basically a drunken pass is making this whole thing more sinister than it needs to be really...

Also I feel the Daley/Hazel thing was a completely different ballgame an a hell of a lot more serious. And I dont think Hazel flirting or 'play acting' makes a difference to how we should view that situation to be honest :S

Well said!

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

... I don't blame Chloe for what happened at all. I do feel she overreacted though however thats probably because I have been in similar situations before and have just told the guy to **** off basically and thats that. I accept that everyones different though but I did think it was quite OTT. ...

I have also been in similar situations and also told the guy to **** off, or smacked him one. However, the only thing that makes me think Chloe didn't overreact was because it's in the BB house. Any time that has happened to me, I had people there (like friends etc.). It must be difficult when something happens to you in the BB House and you feel upset and you're basically in there with a bunch of strangers. I think that is why she walked out of the bathroom and tried to walk out of the room. I think she didn't really know what to do or if she should tell anyone. I don't know if she was drinking or not, but her reaction did seem genuine. I'm not a Chloe fan. I don't even know who she is, but that is how I viewed the situation.

I do agree that the aftermath was OTT, but I think that was mainly due to others (notably Perez) making it all about them. It's a shame really. If I were Chloe I would probably go home.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by lily.

I have also been in similar situations and also told the guy to **** off, or smacked him one. However, the only thing that makes me think Chloe didn't overreact was because it's in the BB house. Any time that has happened to me, I had people there (like friends etc.). It must be difficult when something happens to you in the BB House and you feel upset and you're basically in there with a bunch of strangers. I think that is why she walked out of the bathroom and tried to walk out of the room. I think she didn't really know what to do or if she should tell anyone. I don't know if she was drinking or not, but her reaction did seem genuine. I'm not a Chloe fan. I don't even know who she is, but that is how I viewed the situation.

I do agree that the aftermath was OTT, but I think that was mainly due to others (notably Perez) making it all about them. It's a shame really. If I were Chloe I would probably go home.

Completely agree with all of this

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't blame Chloe for what happened at all. I do feel she overreacted though however thats probably because I have been in similar situations before and have just told the guy to **** off basically and thats that. I accept that everyones different though but I did think it was quite OTT.

I feel a lot of those vilifying Jeremy for being pissed and stupid are being silly though. He didn't grope the girl, he didn't even touch her. Yes it was inappropriate but to make out it was anything more than basically a drunken pass is making this whole thing more sinister than it needs to be really...

Also I feel the Daley/Hazel thing was a completely different ballgame an a hell of a lot more serious. And I dont think Hazel flirting or 'play acting' makes a difference to how we should view that situation to be honest :S

Thats good you can also see it.

[Rob!]

Tonight's show has been a conversation starter with a guy on grinder so to it.

[Mystic Mock]

One question that I would like to ask you Rionablue, what was the difference between what Jeremy did to what Denise did to one of the Shannon Twins? It's reverse sexism as nobody was calling for Denise to be removed and in fact voted for her to win.

[Ammi]

..I recall many people feeling the same with what Denise did, Mock...but it was BB's decision to keep her in and yeah, she went on to win/unbelievable..it almost makes you think that BB can favour housemates, that couldn't be possible could it.....

..just another side thing on that comparison though...I wonder where the sympathies or understanding would have been if a housemate had done to Denise what Jeremy did with Chloe after she had gone topless in the pool..because she had chosen to reveal her body so therefore would share some responsibility...because isn't that what is often thought with young attractive females in the house....hmmmm....I personally think the reaction would have been something along the lines of....'how dare he/she presume to do that with Denise...she's an older lady/a mother/disgusting..get them out immediately...'....

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

One question that I would like to ask you Rionablue, what was the difference between what Jeremy did to what Denise did to one of the Shannon Twins? It's reverse sexism as nobody was calling for Denise to be removed and in fact voted for her to win.

I couldn't stand Denise and wanted he bitch out of there. I do think there is a lot of reverse sexism yes but unfortunately I am not BB and cant remove EITHER sex for doing something offensive. I am just talking about the Chloe situation.

[JayBlaze]

Chloe is a slut but even sluts get to choose who they let touch their tits

[Mick]

In this country we seldom achieve or maintain the blessed happy medium and imo political correctness is a good example.Needed at first but now well OTT.However having only just watched the episode I find that I agree completely with the points made in the OP.

What I try to do is self case things if Chloe was my daughter I would have been over the wall and walloped that bloke.If Ken was my Dad I would have felt ashamed.Both should have gone imo.

The third HM who earned no credit from the episode was Perez as imo he attempted to use the negative behaviours of both of the above two in what he perceived to be an advantageous way RE the voting publics perception of him.He thinks he has the whole game sussed I think/hope otherwise.