[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by abhorson

Because opinion and being forthright is not slander or against the law. I watched the apprentice and saw no bullying just a stronger case against weaker opponents.

You've stumbled across her favourite target - weaker people.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by abhorson

Because opinion and being forthright is not slander or against the law. I watched the apprentice and saw no bullying just a stronger case against weaker opponents.

I didn't see any bullying from Hopkins in the apprentice house. I also didn't see her as a strong candidate though and she knew she was up against some stronger people; that's why she left early. One thing that stands out about Hopkins is, she can't ever afford to lose and that's why she says very little about herself in the BB house. Information can be used as a weapon and as far as Hopkins is concerned, the less they know, the less ammunition they will have.

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I didn't see any bullying from Hopkins in the apprentice house. I also didn't see her as a strong candidate though and she knew she was up against some stronger people; that's why she left early. One thing that stands out about Hopkins is, she can't ever afford to lose and that's why she says very little about herself in the BB house. Information can be used as a weapon and as far as Hopkins is concerned, the less they know, the less ammunition they will have.

Very fair. And i can imagine that she would not let a five year old win a game at all costs.

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by RichardG

Based purely on their actions within the house, Perez has been an irritant (as highlighted by the arguments/general chaos he caused last week) but Katie's response to him has been wholly out of proportion and downright nasty, and I'd argue that she fits the definition of a 'bully' much more, along with her awful friend Cami. However, i've never gone down that route because I'm aware of the stuff Perez does outside the house and so know that in reality he's no better than her.

I do find it laughable the way some act as though one of the two are 'superior' to the other, as if there's a 'good guy' and a 'bad guy' in this storyline when it's blatantly obvious that that is not the case. I fail to see any deep routed innocence in either of them, no 'mask' you can remove to find a lovely person hidden behind. No genuinely nice person would say the things that they do so publicly.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by RichardG

I do find it laughable the way some act as though one of the two are 'superior' to the other, as if there's a 'good guy' and a 'bad guy' in this storyline when it's blatantly obvious that that is not the case. I fail to see any deep routed innocence in either of them, no 'mask' you can remove to find a lovely person hidden behind. No genuinely nice person would say the things that they do so publicly and get so much pleasure from the mass offence they're causing.

Well said Richard but I have to say, I don't find what they say offensive, just ignorant. We can all cause a cluster f-ck online; we are all capable of trolling or being a keyboard warrior if we are that way minded but unless we have an entire back up team, we will only ever reach out to a very small audience. Hopkins and Parez really are no different to all the other people who regularly offend others on social networking sites, the only difference is, they both have a financial support system behind them.

ED for added words!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Angelika

She's a vile bully, she showed that in The Apprentice and is still one today.
Read this and gasp!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrit...ageous-4404987

I personally don't know how she has avoided court cases and more.

Sorry Angelika,although it comes across as nasty,I am sure all of those things can be explained in a way people would understand,KH just says it with more vitriole than most.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Sorry Angelika,although it comes across as nasty,I am sure all of those things can be explained in a way people would understand,KH just says it with more vitriole than most.

So all of those quotes have been taken out of context have they?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

So all of those quotes have been taken out of context have they?

If it was possible to sit with Katie and talk about them one to one,I am sure there would be some reasonable cause for what she says,I don't think you should take what she says literally,but we are all different in our take on things.

[bots]

I'm another one who doesn't think KH has bullied outside the house. She has said some dreadful things, but i don't classify that as bullying. She certainly has hounded Perez in the house following him round etc to the extent he needed to hide in the toilet, again, is it bullying ..could be.

Perez has behaved in a similar way to KH outside the house, but has done some much worse things to, like actually stalking people. Inside the house he wouldn't let Alexander alone, that could be classified as bullying, but its a grey area.

All in all, in the name of entertainment BB has decided Perez and KH are good housemates. As forums in general don't seem to champion "normal" types in the house and prefer to support controversy, its no surprise that there is loud support for both Perez and KH, but will either of them win with the general public? Time will tell.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I'm another one who doesn't think KH has bullied outside the house. She has said some dreadful things, but i don't classify that as bullying. She certainly has hounded Perez in the house following him round etc to the extent he needed to hide in the toilet, again, is it bullying ..could be.

Perez has behaved in a similar way to KH outside the house, but has done some much worse things to, like actually stalking people. Inside the house he wouldn't let Alexander alone, that could be classified as bullying, but its a grey area.

All in all, in the name of entertainment BB has decided Perez and KH are good housemates. As forums in general don't seem to champion "normal" types in the house and prefer to support controversy, its no surprise that there is loud support for both Perez and KH, but will either of them win with the general public? Time will tell.

Great post bitontheslide,at least you are seeing it from BOTH sides,not just the one you are supporting,a really fair post.

[susie q]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I'm another one who doesn't think KH has bullied outside the house. She has said some dreadful things, but i don't classify that as bullying. She certainly has hounded Perez in the house following him round etc to the extent he needed to hide in the toilet, again, is it bullying ..could be.

Perez has behaved in a similar way to KH outside the house, but has done some much worse things to, like actually stalking people. Inside the house he wouldn't let Alexander alone, that could be classified as bullying, but its a grey area.

All in all, in the name of entertainment BB has decided Perez and KH are good housemates. As forums in general don't seem to champion "normal" types in the house and prefer to support controversy, its no surprise that there is loud support for both Perez and KH, but will either of them win with the general public? Time will tell.

Good post, bullying really doesnt have to be physically violent, I to think they are both on a level in there behaviour in the house. They are both to some degree entertaining in the house. However I am beginning to tire of both them a bit now. Would like to see a bit more of the other housemates.
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[Johnnyuk123]

I just lurve Katie Hopkins!

[InOne]

She's a nasty vile wench. She tries to bully but as soon as someone comes up against her she shuts down and loses it.

[Tarryn]

People see what they wants to see.
She is clearly playing to the galleries & doing what she thinks others want to see.
She has said some absolutely vile things before going into the house but people just choose to ignore this.
I'm sure she will win as the past few BB's have had similar winners.
I'm also sure that the final three maybe Callum. Michelle & Katie H.
If this is the case then I WON'T be watching

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

People see what they wants to see.
She is clearly playing to the galleries & doing what she thinks others want to see.
She has said some absolutely vile things before going into the house but people just choose to ignore this.
I'm sure she will win as the past few BB's have had similar winners.
I'm also sure that the final three maybe Callum. Michelle & Katie H.
If this is the case then I WON'T be watching

Perez has been just as bad and worse outside the house and plenty are ignoring that fact,so why the problem with KH ?

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Perez has been just as bad and worse outside the house and plenty are ignoring that fact,so why the problem with KH ?

Perez winds people up & clearly knows how to press other HM's buttons but I don't recall him taking the piss out of anyone the way Katie H did with Alicia.
Perez & Katie H are very alike. Outspoken & have made a living slating people.
Perez is annoying people while Katie is taking the piss.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

Perez winds people up & clearly knows how to press other HM's buttons but I don't recall him taking the piss out of anyone the way Katie H did with Alicia.
Perez & Katie H are very alike. Outspoken & have made a living slating people.
Perez is annoying people while Katie is taking the piss.

Er excuse me,perez is equally as vile as KH out of the house so why are you judging her on her outside persona and not him So if Perez wishes death on someone it's ok 'cos he is winding people up but if she does it's 'vile' that makes sense and yes perez was just as nasty to Alex and Ken,why do you think Alex left!!!

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Er excuse me,perez is equally as vile as KH out of the house so why are you judging her on her outside persona and not him So if Perez wishes death on someone it's ok 'cos he is winding people up but if she does it's 'vile' that makes sense and yes perez was just as nasty to Alex and Ken,why do you think Alex left!!!

I clearly stated that Perez & Katie H are alike.
Also, I AM judging them both on their inside house behaviour.
Perez is a total twat but Katie targeted Alicia for her own amusement.
If YOU want to support a person like Katie H then good for you but don't try to justify her nasty personality.
She is rotten to the core.
Alex left as he knew he was unable to control his emotions with Perez. Ken left as his language was unacceptable.
It's funny how people hate Alicia as they think she played the victim but then blame Perez for so-called bullying of Alex & Ken.
Total double-standards.
At least be consistent in your defence of Katie H.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Perez has been just as bad and worse outside the house and plenty are ignoring that fact,so why the problem with KH ?

In many ways he has but we aren't talking about Perez!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

In many ways he has but we aren't talking about Perez!

I am ,because you cant accuse one when another is excused just because you like them, and they both basically do the same thing.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I am ,because you cant accuse one when another is excused just because you like them, and they both basically do the same thing.

I don't like either of them but I don't think they are doing the same thing.

Katie is harassing, sarcastic, intimidating, insulting, mocking and threatening.
Parez is harassing, enticing, annoying and manic.

The only thing the two of them are doing which is similar is grabbing camera time.

[GiRTh]

Some of us haven't forgotten outside the house she's a bully but so is Perez. Perez has entertained me with some of his antics while Hopkins has irritated me with her picking of easy targets like Alicia, her befriending of people that she turned her nose up on opening night and he constant berating of Perez.

Some may say that she's been friendly and welcoming in the house and given people a chance but this is the same woman who said she doesnt want her kids to play with certain kids cuz of their names. Thats not very friendly and welcoming and its not giving people she doesnt know any chance at all now is it.

So either way Katie has been some kind of fake. She's played this game well and I've braced myself for her victory but she's not been honest either in the house or outside. However it seems the public are prepared to ignore all that and hand her the win many simply cuz of her bullying - and it is bullying - of Perez. It will be a shame if she wins this eseries.

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Some of us haven't forgotten outside the house she's a bully but so is Perez. Perez has entertained me with some of his antics while Hopkins has irritated me with her picking of easy targets like Alicia, her befriending of people that she turned her nose up on opening night and he constant berating of Perez.

Some may say that she's been friendly and welcoming in the house and given people a chance but this is the same woman who said she doesnt want her kids to play with certain kids cuz of their names. Thats not very friendly and welcoming and its not giving people she doesnt know any chance at all now is it.

So either way Katie has been some kind of fake. She's played this game well and I've braced myself for her victory but she's not been honest either in the house or outside. However it seems the public are prepared to ignore all that and hand her the win many simply cuz of her bullying - and it is bullying - of Perez. It will be a shame if she wins this eseries.

Give me just one example of bullying outside from KH. Opinions are not bullying. Where as Perez does. He has been arrested for stalking.

In the house, Perez has used the homophobic card three times and the race card once to try to belittle for his sick gameplan and the only real attempt at bullying has come from him against Alex.

KH's support has mainly come about because she is giving the sicko some of his own medicine back.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by abhorson

Give me just one example of bullying outside from KH. Opinions are not bullying. Where as Perez does. He has been arrested for stalking.

In the house, Perez has used the homophobic card three times and the race card once to try to belittle for his sick gameplan and the only real attempt at bullying has come from him against Alex.

KH's support has mainly come about because she is giving the sicko some of his own medicine back.

Her whole persona is about shouting over people in discussions and it usually involves some petty juvenile insults too. SHe rarely makes a point that is identifiable. Her appearance consist of lots of shouting and lots of insults. Simply youtube katie Hopkins to find multiple examples. She's entitled to her opinions but saying ginger babies are harder to love is not very welcoming or giving anyone a chance.

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Her whole persona is about shouting over people in discussions and it usually involves some petty juvenile insults too. SHe rarely makes a point that is identifiable. Her appearance consist of lots of shouting and lots of insults. Simply youtube katie Hopkins to find multiple examples. She's entitled to her opinions but saying ginger babies are harder to love is not very welcoming or giving anyone a chance.

I agree with some of that, but it is still not bullying as you stated. This Morning would not continuously have her on the show would they.