[JoshBB]

We could do what South Korea is doing and build buildings that are really tall instead of wide, much more space for people. More space for jobs too.

[Kizzy]

They're called high rise... Dan T Smith had that idea, it didn't work

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The numbers, for the year ending in September 2014, are now well above the level of migration when David Cameron came to power in 2010.

UKIP, which campaigns for Britain to leave the EU and wants an Australian-style work permit system, said the government "should be ashamed of its abject failure to keep control of the constantly rising numbers of those arriving here".



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31638174



and the odiously put this news out today to be buried by the Jimmy Saville report on the hospital - sad.

Office for National Statistics announces a net flow of 298,000 migrants to the UK in the 12 months to last September


Still, lets just focus on UKIP being Nazis like the present Government want you to focus on

Good to see this News story, hope there are a hundred more just like it or even worse to come out from now to the election.

I hope everyone in the Country is properly disgusted with this Govt and previous Govt's abject failure to stem the tide of immigration into this small Island.

Great News I hope by the time the election arrives people are rightly outraged about this situation and UKIP benefits accordingly.

[user104658]

Eek! Eeeeek! Help! 300,000?? That's an army! Do you have any idea how many dogs all of those immigrants will eat? None of our pets will be safe NONE of them I say! Plus latest statistics suggest that 299,997 of those immigrants are Muslims who have been genetically engineered to have highly explosive blood. If they start mingling with the general population and then someone lights a match? Boom, guys. Game over. Game ****ing over. AND that's not to mention the fact that, unlike us in the UK, immigrant fetuses have a gestation period of only 3 weeks instead of 9 months. Immigrant women have, on average, 27.9 children meaning that each family has an annual benefits bill of 1.72 million pounds. Think they'll be required to seek work? THINK AGAIN. All immigrants are deemed unfit for work, as where we Brits have hands, immigrants only have razor-sharp claw-like growths (and lack opposable thumbs).

Three hundred freaking thousand. Ladies and gentlemen, this truly is the end of days. Christians, grab your bibles. Jews, grab your... the first part of the bible(?). Jehovah's Witnesses, return to your homes and lock the doors. Atheists, just grab your balls and hold on for dear life. War is upon us. Each and every man, woman and child may be called upon to fight for our homes, for our lives, for our very souls at ANY given moment. To be perfectly frank - our battle will be futile - but what choice do we have? And let me ask you, will you die on your knees, or will you go down swinging?? I say we fight! I say we take to the streets in anger! I say we prepare a great HORSE with WINGS OF FIRE and GATLING GUNS attached to its mighty flanks, and we mount Nigel Farage upon that horse, and we go with him into the very heart of London and ask - nay, we DEMAND - that next year, Immigration be no more than 250,000. We can do this!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Eek! Eeeeek! Help! 300,000?? That's an army! Do you have any idea how many dogs all of those immigrants will eat? None of our pets will be safe NONE of them I say! Plus latest statistics suggest that 299,997 of those immigrants are Muslims who have been genetically engineered to have highly explosive blood. If they start mingling with the general population and then someone lights a match? Boom, guys. Game over. Game ****ing over. AND that's not to mention the fact that, unlike us in the UK, immigrant fetuses have a gestation period of only 3 weeks instead of 9 months. Immigrant women have, on average, 27.9 children meaning that each family has an annual benefits bill of 1.72 million pounds. Think they'll be required to seek work? THINK AGAIN. All immigrants are deemed unfit for work, as where we Brits have hands, immigrants only have razor-sharp claw-like growths (and lack opposable thumbs).

Three hundred freaking thousand. Ladies and gentlemen, this truly is the end of days. Christians, grab your bibles. Jews, grab your... the first part of the bible(?). Jehovah's Witnesses, return to your homes and lock the doors. Atheists, just grab your balls and hold on for dear life. War is upon us. Each and every man, woman and child may be called upon to fight for our homes, for our lives, for our very souls at ANY given moment. To be perfectly frank - our battle will be futile - but what choice do we have? And let me ask you, will you die on your knees, or will you go down swinging?? I say we fight! I say we take to the streets in anger! I say we prepare a great HORSE with WINGS OF FIRE and GATLING GUNS attached to its mighty flanks, and we mount Nigel Farage upon that horse, and we go with him into the very heart of London and ask - nay, we DEMAND - that next year, Immigration be no more than 250,000. We can do this!

In a small country of around 65 million people, 300,000 is a lot in a year. I have no problem with people with skills coming here, I have no problem with genuine asylum seekers. but there is finite space and finite resources. Our infrastructure is already overstretched.

[RichardG]

I'm not one to panic about the country being overflown with immigrants any time soon and I don't have any strong opinions about the current system, I'm not overly fussed so long as they come here to work or invest, which I reckon the large majority probably do. Equally, however, I've never understood why people are labelled as racist for wanting to move to a skill based system like Canada or Australia. It seems sensible enough to me (so long as the intentions of the person suggesting it are in the right place). I'd love to move to Canada but know it's unlikely that will ever happen as I don't have a skill they demand, that doesn't mean Canada is full of racists!!

That being said I'd never vote UKIP, I don't think the situation is anywhere near as urgent as it would have to be to justify a party like them gaining any kind of power.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by RichardG

I'm not one to panic about the country being overflown with immigrants any time soon and I don't have any strong opinions about the current system, I'm not overly fussed so long as they come here to work or invest, which I reckon the large majority probably do. Equally, however, I've never understood why people are labelled as racist for wanting to move to a skill based system like Canada or Australia. It seems sensible enough to me (so long as the intentions of the person suggesting it are in the right place). I'd love to move to Canada but know it's unlikely that will ever happen as I don't have a skill they demand, that doesn't mean Canada is full of racists!!

That being said I'd never vote UKIP, I don't think the situation is anywhere near as urgent as it would have to be to justify a party like them gaining any kind of power.

Exactly, I feel the same too.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

In a small country of around 65 million people, 300,000 is a lot in a year. I have no problem with people with skills coming here, I have no problem with genuine asylum seekers. but there is finite space and finite resources. Our infrastructure is already overstretched.

Yes but some of the hysteria... is really quite over the top, surely? Also worth pointing out - not sure why it hasn't been yet, unless I missed it - immigration is not "up 300,000" at all. It's gone up to (nearly) 300,000. It was, obviously, not previously zero. At the end of 2013, it's quite clear from the graph that immigration was at over 200,000. Immigration is actually up by around 90,000. The thread title and OP are a bit misleading, no?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes but some of the hysteria... is really quite over the top, surely? Also worth pointing out - not sure why it hasn't been yet, unless I missed it - immigration is not "up 300,000" at all. It's gone up to (nearly) 300,000. It was, obviously, not previously zero. At the end of 2013, it's quite clear from the graph that immigration was at over 200,000. Immigration is actually up by around 90,000. The thread title and OP are a bit misleading, no?

Maybe... but whichever way you slice it up, the fact remains that immigration is high and getting higher. It's not sustainable.

[arista]

Farage is in USA today giving a Talk.



What makes me Angry
is Illegals that hang under a lorry
and enter the UK
to work in the black market etc.


One bloke even drives over to bring them back

[Crimson Dynamo]

It does however prove that Nigel is and was bang on right about immigration


smh at the pathetic tories and their silly promises

[bots]

Lets have some perspective

We need an inward stream of immigrants to fund our current pension demands, we can't have things both ways

It is a side effect of europe, its not news, because we signed up to it many years ago and actively encourage it. If we want an insular society then vote to exit from europe and go back to border controls. My prediction however is that even if we did this, the immigrants would still come as we NEED them for our survival.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Lets have some perspective

We need an inward stream of immigrants to fund our current pension demands, we can't have things both ways

It is a side effect of europe, its not news, because we signed up to it many years ago and actively encourage it. If we want an insular society then vote to exit from europe and go back to border controls. My prediction however is that even if we did this, the immigrants would still come as we NEED them for our survival.

Correct. We have an aging population (damned baby-boomers) and if our own people won't breed, then we simply HAVE to import. But then, everyone is also wailing about how "people shouldn't be having more than two kids that they can't afford ". Sooo... you can't have it both ways, basically. Either our own population needs to increase the birth rate, or we need migrants, OR we need to start euthanizing the elderly.

I'm not particularly opposed to any of those three options, to be fair... but y'know... people really need to pick one.

[Livia]

Of course we need migrants. But not in the numbers we're currently accepting them. Canada, Australia, all seem to be managing with ageing populations without accepting everyone who wants to live there, you have to be of some worth to them, have something to offer the country before you're accepted or be a genuine asylum seeker. I don't see that as a bad thing.

[Kizzy]

Here we go again... immigrants aligned with extremism.
Aren't most immigrants atm eastern European... how many of those sympathise with ISIS?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Here we go again... immigrants aligned with extremism.
Aren't most immigrants atm eastern European... how many of those sympathise with ISIS?

how many can we afford to drain from the state services? how many people suffer from reduced nhs care when the immigration increases by a million every 3 or 4 years....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

how many can we afford to drain from the state services? how many people suffer from reduced nhs care when the immigration increases by a million every 3 or 4 years....

So it's immigration affecting the NHS now... What about immigrant doctors and nurses, don't you want those either?
Can you imagine waiting times without them?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Here we go again... immigrants aligned with extremism.
Aren't most immigrants atm eastern European... how many of those sympathise with ISIS?

Six months ago, through an Albanian Kosovo Muslim tenant - a very nice, hardworking decent bloke - I took on the case of his friend, another Albanian Kosovo Muslim man who had a wife and child, and who had been wrongly refused a place on the local council's housing list. I successfully had the decision overturned and he was awarded a very nice 3 bedroom house in a very decent area, but over the 2 months which it took to achieve this, I got to know a significant number of Eastern European immigrants through him.

Whilst I never heard any of them declare any interest in the terrorism which is tearing the world apart, and therefore never heard them utter any support for IS, I did distinctly perceive that the majority of them do not actually like the British and actually witnessed derogatory remarks from some of them about the 'English'.

So no, they may not be aligned with extremism, but they're don't particularly align themselves with the UK or have sympathy with its indegenous people either - in my experience.

And the great majority of them are Muslims which could be a factor come any type of Armageddon fought on British soil.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Six months ago, through an Albanian Kosovo Muslim tenant - a very nice, hardworking decent bloke - I took on the case of his friend, another Albanian Kosovo Muslim man who had a wife and child, and who had been wrongly refused a place on the local council's housing list. I successfully had the decision overturned and he was awarded a very nice 3 bedroom house in a very decent area, but over the 2 months which it took to achieve this, I got to know a significant number of Eastern European immigrants through him.

Whilst I never heard any of them declare any interest in the terrorism which is tearing the world apart, and therefore never heard them utter any support for IS, I did distinctly perceive that the majority of them do not actually like the British and actually witnessed derogatory remarks from some of them about the 'English'.

So no, they may not be aligned with extremism, but they're don't particularly align themselves with the UK or have sympathy with its indegenous people either - in my experience.

And the great majority of them are Muslims which could be a factor come any type of Armageddon fought on British soil.

Oh are we talking again?... ok. The 1 or 2 people you came into contact with during this case I'm sure were very appreciative of your help and support, they may also have come into contact with people who are not so friendly and this could have coloured their perception of the English perhaps?

Your suggestion that in your hypothetical war they would automatically fight against us based solely on the fact they are Muslim is shocking... I will never subscribe to your skewed perception so if you're going to continue espousing these bizarre statements about Muslims could you direct them at someone else please and not me ?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Oh are we talking again?... ok. The 1 or 2 people you came into contact with during this case I'm sure were very appreciative of your help and support, they may also have come into contact with people who are not so friendly and this could have coloured their perception of the English perhaps?

Your suggestion that in your hypothetical war they would automatically fight against us based solely on the fact they are Muslim is shocking... I will never subscribe to your skewed perception so if you're going to continue espousing these bizarre statements about Muslims could you direct them at someone else please and not me ?

I do not understand why you are allowed to be so vexatious, persistently nasty and rude, yet I am the one who keeps getting infractions and banned for innocuous responses to your insulting posts and having legitimate posts removed. But then again, I believe in debate and not in falsely reporting people when I am outargued.

Now, I have never "espoused bizarre statements about Muslims" so again - I challenge you to corroborate such a misrepresentation and prove just where I have.

As for the post you are responding to, I clearly said: " that the great majority of them are Muslims which could be a factor come any type of Armageddon fought on British soil."

Please NOTE the emboldened words; "COULD BE A FACTOR" which is not unequivocally definitive as YOU ONCE AGAIN SO DISHONESTLY MISREPRESENT BY SAYING THAT I SAID that: "they would automatically fight against us based solely on the fact they are Muslim is shocking.[B]

I CLEARLY DID NOT SAY THAT DID I.

Further: YOU ARE ONCE AGAIN DISHONESTLY MISREPRESENTING WHAT I HAVE SAID IN A POST WHEN YOU STATE: "The 1 or 2 people you came into contact with during this case I'm sure were very appreciative of your help and support, they may also have come into contact with people who are not so friendly and this could have coloured their perception of the English perhaps?"

BECAUSE I CLEARLY STATE "But over the 2 months which it took to achieve this, I got to know a significant number of Eastern European immigrants through him.

Whilst I never heard any of them declare any interest in the terrorism which is tearing the world apart, and therefore never heard them utter any support for IS, I did distinctly perceive that the majority of them do not actually like the British and actually witnessed derogatory remarks from some of them about the 'English'.

Now, "A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF EASTERN EUROPEAN IMMIGRANTS" is not "1 or 2 people" AS YOU CLAIM I SAID IS IT?

PLEASE STOP THIS UTTER DISHONESTY BECAUSE IT IS IMPOVERISHING THE QUALITY OF SERIOUS DEBATE ON THIS FORUM AND IT IS NOT FAIR.

Finally; when you write: "I will never subscribe to your skewed perception" , I could counter that it is your perception which is "skewed" not mine, because you consistently refuse to accept irrefutable TRUTHS, are consistently in a state of denial regarding immigration, terrorism, and politics, and repeatedly attack innocent remarks in posts because you wrongly perceive them to be racist or as attacks on working class people because of your overly defensive extreme left wing personal ideology.

Now I'll await my infraction or another ban - simply for defending myself against insult, rudeness, and dishonesty.

[smudgie]

I think it is time something was done to stem the flow.
We do need immigrants to do the jobs we can't fill.
Perhaps we should have a points system for Europe, and also encourage more of our young people to train for skilled work, then encourage the unskilled people on the benefits to do the unskilled work.
If only life was that simple.

[Marsh.]

Omg, Kizzy's sig.

[Kizzy]

It's just nice to see they have a view on something other than immigration isn't it?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's just nice to see they have a view on something other than immigration isn't it?

[Crimson Dynamo]

yes, sigh

those big windmills are really keeping the national grid alive...