[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Josy

Lots of vitamins have been investigated and actually are proven to work.

Vitamin deficiencies in some people can be extremely dangerous, some people can't absorb as much vitamins and minerals into the body as others due to certain illnesses or allergies (I have a citrus allergy so take vit c) others are not getting enough into the body due poor diet or to being vegetarian and not consuming enough animal product etc.

B deficiencies have been tested and linked to chronic fatigue, severe anaemia, Alzheimer's, skin conditions and lots more. (you know your Lunulas (halfmoons) on your fingernails? if they are gone then theres a good chance you have a B vitamin deficiency)

Vitamin C is great for repairing tissue in the body, skin disorders, healthy bones and teeth and so on.

Vitamin D which has already had it's daily recommendation raised by the Institute of Medicine is well documented in protecting bones and helps people with illnesses such as osteoporosis and similar.

These are just small examples.

Just because it's something you don't understand doesn't mean it's a placebo.

And most vitamins are used by the body as needed then the rest is disposed of safely anyway so there's no real harm in taking what you think you need.

You just keep enjoying your whiskies and let others do what they feel is best for them. Hey maybe you should get some vitamin C into you to help out your poor liver

http://www.livescience.com/42001-cas...ctors-say.html

a balanced diet and time outdoors provides all the vitamins a normal person needs

[Josy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

http://www.livescience.com/42001-cas...ctors-say.html

Very good. A link that says 'some physicians'

For every study you find that is negative about them there is plenty more that are positive and have been proven to work.

However, I think I would prefer to take the advice of my doctor and blood work results to a randomly linked article on the internet anyday.

Edited to respond to your edit..

You have now changed your tune, of course a 'normal' person with no deficiencies or illness/reasons to need vitamins doesn't need to take them but...that's not what you first said is it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Josy

Very good. A link that says 'some physicians'

For every study you find that is negative about them there is plenty more that are positive and have been proven to work.

However, I think I would prefer to take the advice of my doctor and blood work results to a randomly linked article on the internet anyday.

Edited to respond to your edit..

I am not saying if your doctor prescribes a supplement course to treat an ailment I am talking about self diagnosis by marketing

You have now changed your tune, of course a 'normal' person with no deficiencies or illness/reasons to need vitamins doesn't need to take them but...that's not what you first said is it.

I am not saying if your doctor prescribes a supplement course to treat an ailment I am talking about self diagnosis by marketing. However doctors prescribe all sorts of drugs with very limited science to bck them up like anti-depressants and they also prescribe a lot of placebo as well to get folk out of the waiting rooms.

if you have evidence that unprescribed over the counter vitamin supplements work then lets see it



http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-and-su...-multivitamins

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/prog..._summary.shtml

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2013/12Decemb...d-benefit.aspx

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Condit...04_Article.jsp

https://xenophilius.wordpress.com/20...not-take-hmmm/

[Crimson Dynamo]

The evidence against supplements continues to pile up. Recently I created a list of The Top 5 Vitamins You Shouldn’t Take. Now I’m expanding that list to include vitamin D, which is taken by almost half of older adults. Now, two new studies in latest issue of The Lancet show that most of these people are wasting their money.

The first study is a large review by Philippe Autier and colleagues, who found that taking supplemental vitamin D has no effect on a wide range of diseases and conditions. After looking at over 450 studies, the authors conclude:

“The absence of an effect of vitamin D supplementation on disease occurrence, severity, and clinical course leads to the hypothesis that variations [in vitamin D levels] would essentially be a result, and not a cause, of ill health.”

So it appears that we’ve been getting cause and effect backwards, at least as far as vitamin D is concerned. … Vitamin D supplements, to put it plainly, are a waste of money. … So here’s my expanded list of the Top Six Vitamins You Shouldn’t Take, with the newest entrant at the end:

Vitamin C
Vitamin A and beta carotene
Vitamin E
Vitamin B6
Multi-vitamins
Vitamin D

… What’s left? Well, if you don’t have a deficiency, there’s no reason to take any supplemental vitamins at all. … Save your money. Or better yet, if you must spend it, buy a bit more fresh fruit. You’ll be healthier for it.

via The Top Six Vitamins You Should Not Take – Forbes.

https://xenophilius.wordpress.com/20...not-take-hmmm/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Josy

Do you take any Vitamins and/or Mineral Supplements?

If so what do you take?

this question is ambiguous anyway Josy


You should have asked do you take Vitamins and/or Mineral Supplements that you have prescribed yourself from Boots etc or do you take Vitamins and/or Mineral Supplements on medical advice from a doctor after finding deficiencies?


Big difference

[rubymoo]

The problem is, that the food we eat today has less nutritional value that it did years ago (when our grandparents were young).

The government say we should all aim to eat 5 a day, but research has shown we should be eating double that, that probably accounts for some of the illnesses we have today, and don't even get me started on the crap they spray on our food and the antibiotics they pump into our food

[Josy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I am not saying if your doctor prescribes a supplement course to treat an ailment I am talking about self diagnosis by marketing. However doctors prescribe all sorts of drugs with very limited science to bck them up like anti-depressants and they also prescribe a lot of placebo as well to get folk out of the waiting rooms.

if you have evidence that unprescribed over the counter vitamin supplements work then lets see it



http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-and-su...-multivitamins

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/prog..._summary.shtml

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2013/12Decemb...d-benefit.aspx

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Condit...04_Article.jsp

https://xenophilius.wordpress.com/20...not-take-hmmm/

That's EXACTLY what you were saying with your first few posts in this thread though, you ridiculed ALL vitamins and supplements as being placebos and a waste of money. That's not true. Which is what I was responding to when I replied to you.

You then changed your tune and said what you did above.

I'm not interested in the links you are providing tbh because they are nothing to do with the initial posts of yours I replied to, you backpeddled after that and as I mentioned before I would much rather take my doctors advice because he can see my blood work and knows that I need to take certain vitamins and that they do actually stop me from becoming deficient.

There are a few other members on the thread that have actually posted that they needed vitamins to treat certain ailments and that the vitamins did help, it was proven by their blood work, what more proof do you need?

There is no debate about whether we need important vitamins in our body to survive and if you have a deficiency or are just above borderline then you do need to take vitamins and they do work, that's a fact.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Josy

That's EXACTLY what you were saying with your first few posts in this thread though, you ridiculed ALL vitamins and supplements as being placebos and a waste of money. That's not true. Which is what I was responding to when I replied to you.

You then changed your tune and said what you did above.

I'm not interested in the links you are providing tbh because they are nothing to do with the initial posts of yours I replied to, you backpeddled after that and as I mentioned before I would much rather take my doctors advice because he can see my blood work and knows that I need to take certain vitamins and that they do actually stop me from becoming deficient.

There are a few other members on the thread that have actually posted that they needed vitamins to treat certain ailments and that the vitamins did help, it was proven by their blood work, what more proof do you need?

There is no debate about whether we need important vitamins in our body to survive and if you have a deficiency or are just above borderline then you do need to take vitamins and they do work, that's a fact.

you posted an ambiguous thread then have a go because we cant tell what angle you are coming from until it suits you?

I would stop taking all the pills

[Niamh.]

No I don't take any Vitamins

[Josy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

you posted an ambiguous thread then have a go because we cant tell what angle you are coming from until it suits you?

I would stop taking all the pills

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Josy

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The evidence against supplements continues to pile up. Recently I created a list of The Top 5 Vitamins You Shouldn’t Take. Now I’m expanding that list to include vitamin D, which is taken by almost half of older adults. Now, two new studies in latest issue of The Lancet show that most of these people are wasting their money.

The first study is a large review by Philippe Autier and colleagues, who found that taking supplemental vitamin D has no effect on a wide range of diseases and conditions. After looking at over 450 studies, the authors conclude:

“The absence of an effect of vitamin D supplementation on disease occurrence, severity, and clinical course leads to the hypothesis that variations [in vitamin D levels] would essentially be a result, and not a cause, of ill health.”

So it appears that we’ve been getting cause and effect backwards, at least as far as vitamin D is concerned. … Vitamin D supplements, to put it plainly, are a waste of money. … So here’s my expanded list of the Top Six Vitamins You Shouldn’t Take, with the newest entrant at the end:

Vitamin C
Vitamin A and beta carotene
Vitamin E
Vitamin B6
Multi-vitamins
Vitamin D

… What’s left? Well, if you don’t have a deficiency, there’s no reason to take any supplemental vitamins at all. … Save your money. Or better yet, if you must spend it, buy a bit more fresh fruit. You’ll be healthier for it.

via The Top Six Vitamins You Should Not Take – Forbes.

https://xenophilius.wordpress.com/20...not-take-hmmm/

From the same study..

'Supplementation in elderly people (mainly women) with 20 μg vitamin D per day seemed to slightly reduce all-cause mortality. The discrepancy between observational and intervention studies suggests that low 25(OH)D is a marker of ill health. Inflammatory processes involved in disease occurrence and clinical course would reduce 25(OH)D, which would explain why low vitamin D status is reported in a wide range of disorders. In elderly people, restoration of vitamin D deficits due to ageing and lifestyle changes induced by ill health could explain why low-dose supplementation leads to slight gains in survival.'

[Shaun]

I have a multivitamins thing (the chewable ones, that're like chalk) and I drink a glass of water a day with a Vitamin C disolvable tablet

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I have a multivitamins thing (the chewable ones, that're like chalk) and I drink a glass of water a day with a Vitamin C disolvable tablet

why?

[Shaun]

because I ****ing want to OK, for once in your life let it go

[Niamh.]

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Shaun

because I ****ing want to OK, for once in your life let it go

i guess its not for anger issues then..

[Kizzy]

If you don't agree with them why are you in the thread?
I need my supplements, I don't need a raincloud of doom :/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If you don't agree with them why are you in the thread?
I need my supplements, I don't need a raincloud of doom :/

sigh

its not a vitamin shrine kizzy, its a discussion thread

i would have thought, why do you take them would perhaps be a question asked?

If someone wants to do a Vitamin C fan thread I will steer clear

[jennyjuniper]

Flax seed and evening primrose oil (2 tablespoons every day)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

Flax seed and evening primrose oil (2 tablespoons every day)

Next step it will be a crack pipe and skid row

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Next step it will be a crack pipe and skid row

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

sigh

its not a vitamin shrine kizzy, its a discussion thread

i would have thought, why do you take them would perhaps be a question asked?

If someone wants to do a Vitamin C fan thread I will steer clear

'Do you take any Vitamins and/or Mineral Supplements?

If so what do you take?'


The question was what not why... if I didn't take any I would just jog on

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'Do you take any Vitamins and/or Mineral Supplements?

If so what do you take?'


The question was what not why... if I didn't take any I would just jog on

hopefully tomorrow we can find out what you would do in another thread?


im hooked

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

hopefully tomorrow we can find out what you would do in another thread?


im hooked

Start one... I can't wait to tell you all about it