[MTVN]

Will you be buying one of these mugs kizzy?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Will you be buying one of these mugs kizzy?

Poor old Labour. They have spent considerable time, effort and money on trying to convince the UK populace that UKIP is a big. bad, xenophobic, racist WOLF because of its 'Immigration Control' policies, then after witnessing the increase in UKIP's popularity because of those very same 'Immigration Control' Policies, Labour have quickly donned the 'GRANDMOTHER' clothes and are enticing LITTLE RED RIDING HOOD public to trust them and 'come closer to their re-made bed of Immigration policies' for a 'better look'.

It's all a fairy tale.

But Nige must be pleased, because 'Imitation IS the sincerest form of flattery'.

LMAO

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Poor old Labour. They have spent considerable time, effort and money on trying to convince the UK populace that UKIP is a big. bad, xenophobic, racist WOLF because of its 'Immigration Control' policies, then after witnessing the increase in UKIP's popularity because of those very same 'Immigration Control' Policies, Labour have quickly donned the 'GRANDMOTHER' clothes and are enticing LITTLE RED RIDING HOOD public to trust them and 'come closer to their re-made bed of Immigration policies' for a 'better look'.

It's all a fairy tale.

But Nige must be pleased, because 'Imitation IS the sincerest form of flattery'.

LMAO

Hang on a minute, Labour have NO controls on immigration none whatsoever, in fact they still believe in uncontrolled immigration and closer integration into Europe which means giving up even more rights and freedoms to a nameless, faceless European Elite..........and paying even more hard earned taxpayers money for the privilege.

The lunatics really have taken over the Asylum.............

Vote Labour....vote for quicker ways to be fully submersed into the EU, vote for a painless end to a 1,000 years of Nationhood...

Vote Labour.........No thanks not in this life

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Hang on a minute, Labour have NO controls on immigration none whatsoever, in fact they still believe in uncontrolled immigration and closer integration into Europe which means giving up even more rights and freedoms to a nameless, faceless European Elite..........and paying even more hard earned taxpayers money for the privilege.

The lunatics really have taken over the Asylum.............

Vote Labour....vote for quicker ways to be fully submersed into the EU, vote for a painless end to a 1,000 years of Nationhood...

Vote Labour.........No thanks not in this life

Oh No.... I've been MUGGED by Labour.

[Kizzy]

No but I'll be voting labour because I'm not a mug...

'Cameron has refused to rule out taxing disability benefits. He has also hat the Conservatives would try to squeeze more efficiencies from the NHS than already planned. (See 9.21am.)
Paul Johnson, the Institute for Fiscal Studies director, has said the Conservative claim to be able to raise £5bn from tackling tax avoidance is “very flaky”. Only 24 hours after the IFS said Tory claims about Labour tax plans were unfounded, Johnson told Sky News.
Conservatives have said we’re going to get £5bn from tax avoidance measures. Now that’s a very flaky number. Where do you get £5bn from tax avoidance? We don’t know. Given the scale of spending cuts they’ll otherwise require they must be at least thinking about tax rises.'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ign-trail-live

[Crimson Dynamo]

People will think

hmmm economy is getting better, better stick with what we have than risk it


you watch

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

People will think

hmmm economy is getting better, better stick with what we have than risk it


you watch

You're probably right, because 90% of people are ****ing stupid enough to believe that our economy is genuinely "on the road to recovery" .

As evidence of this, we have the statements of Cameron and Osbourne themselves, and some dubious and ever-changing figures from the same economic analysts that didn't see the crash coming in the first place. I for one am thoroughly reassured. The Tory policy of raping disabled babies in a satanic money ritual is clearly doing the job, so long may we allow it to continue.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

People will think

hmmm economy is getting better, better stick with what we have than risk it


you watch

Really? We keep being told everythings getting better, wages are up, more in employment and such. But a quick look around people I know, not one is feeling this supposed recovery/ Everyone seems a lot worse off, and thats before even getting to those on benefits. My mums wages have been frozen for years whilst everything else has gone up. My brother is plonked on a 0 hour contract with no work at all but is classed as employed as he has a contract... You may feel the results of this recovery if you have millions, but normal people..not a chance.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Really? We keep being told everythings getting better, wages are up, more in employment and such. But a quick look around people I know, not one is feeling this supposed recovery/ Everyone seems a lot worse off, and thats before even getting to those on benefits. My mums wages have been frozen for years whilst everything else has gone up. My brother is plonked on a 0 hour contract with no work at all but is classed as employed as he has a contract... You may feel the results of this recovery if you have millions, but normal people..not a chance.

A really great number of voters are in those situations you point out Vicky or know others that are.

As you say, in the real world not the boardrooms and the elite as to society that is what is felt and seen by large numbers of voters.

If those voters cast their votes wisely, they can end this stagnation there has been for near 4 or the 5 years this govt; has been in power.


Hi MTVN, you do make good points as ever, however I recall us being told by the Conservatives in 2010, that the cuts they planned to make had to be done, and had to be done from the first year to ensure success for their targets and to clear the deficit but also to combat anything that may come from problems in the Eurozone too.
As Kizzy said, they planned for that in the more than necessary severe austerity cuts and still failed.

In 2008 however, being fair not just to Labour in the UK but also to all govts; around the World.
None of them, not even in the USA, saw the financial crisis coming that eventually hit and brought a deep recession to many countries.
Since also, the then Conservative opposition under David Cameron, was calling at that time for the banks to be 'less' regulated than they were under labour, that recession and crisis could then have been even worse had they been in power then.

I still say too, (possibly with the exception of Northern Rock in the North), the Conservatives would have had to and would have done so too,as to bailing the rest of the banks out too,just as the then Labour govt; did.

Leaving a crisis to sort out no matter which of them had been in power.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Youtube video

Nigel charming the hags on Loose Women

he is such a nice guy

[MTVN]

[Crimson Dynamo]

[joeysteele]

I am happy the economic figures are marginally better,so they should be after over 3+ years between late 2010 to early 2014 of at best stagnant growth.

It still means in effect, that after the recovery and the growth that was in place when the coaliton took over in 2010,which was then completely eroded by this govts; policies,that although we have some good news now, there is still the fact of playing catch up on those negative years.

With the economy just doing better,then to now put in even more austerity measures and savagely cut even further, that could well stifle this recovery and growth again too once those new cuts start after the election the way they are planned.

A more softer and compasionate approach is what is needed, it may well be that this is when people will turn to Labour in order to get that compassion and a slower action as to policies of cuts,to nurture this growth in place and ensure the recovery continues.
Something this coalition failed badly to do in the same situation in 2010 and who led us into over 3 years of no real recovery and at best miniscule growth figures, always looking over their shoulders at a double dip recession,only just avoiding one too.

Good economic news can be of help to the opposition too,if Labour start to challenge on this issue as to them protecting the growth and recovery just in pace now at long last and way overdue too.
Arguing that more of the same again could threaten all that,yet that is all the Conservatives are offering again this election, more of the same again for enar the same time.

This is still a fragile recovery,long term it is far from assured and it has come at a very high cost for a great many vulnerable in the UK too.
Whether that be from small businesses right down to the individuals who are also sick and disabled even.

If it can be that this growth now in place can be achieved when this govt; has not taken a penny off the deficit for at least 18 months now,then that is good news, it also shows that the deficit does not to be cleared at a crazy pace by even more savage cutting measures.

Nurture the growth, build on that growth and that will ensure the deficit is chipped away at month by month,year by year.
Labour should be welcoming this opportunity to insist they are the ones who could now best sustain this growth, they took over in 1997 when growth was quite good under PM John Major,and they then presided over 11 years of unbroken growth and no recessions in that whole period, an unprecedented post war run of growth without recession.

[the truth]

people don't trust labour at all any more joey, they stopped being compassionate 30 years ago
all labour did was cover things up , introduce endless petty laws, make the rich even richer and the poor even poorer. I cannot even begin to tell you how disgusting they were and how much they disappointed me and millions of others who left the labour party. theyre not socialist, theyre petty thieves and war criminals.
labour need to rid of this clown and all traces of new labour including balls up and harriet haggard ....awfu awful people. total clear out and start from scratch. tax the rich more the poor less, increasing working tax credits make that system way easier and advertise it better to get people off the dole. slash vat to 10% with a promise to abolish it within 10 years. its an enslavement tax. tighten all tax loop holes on the corporations. fight to get unified laws on tax loopholes across the EU and the entire planet. fight for disabled rights, tighten controls on companies exploiting customers, that includes all car manufacturers, all corporations, also monopolies like BT ,sky and RAC

scrap the £60 billion trains stink......we the tax payers pay 60 billion for a privatised rail system and the companies and shareholders take the profits? can no one tell this is 100% corrupt. privatising profits , socialising losses?

labour are as bad if not worse.

trouble is who else is there? clegg? don't make me laugh? all that's left is the nationalist parties or ukip or green peace? no wonder salmond was doing so well

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

people don't trust labour at all any more joey, they stopped being compassionate 30 years ago
all labour did was cover things up , introduce endless petty laws, make the rich even richer and the poor even poorer. I cannot even begin to tell you how disgusting they were and how much they disappointed me and millions of others who left the labour party. theyre not socialist, theyre petty thieves and war criminals.
labour need to rid of this clown and all traces of new labour including balls up and harriet haggard ....awfu awful people. total clear out and start from scratch. tax the rich more the poor less, increasing working tax credits make that system way easier and advertise it better to get people off the dole. slash vat to 10% with a promise to abolish it within 10 years. its an enslavement tax. tighten all tax loop holes on the corporations. fight to get unified laws on tax loopholes across the EU and the entire planet. fight for disabled rights, tighten controls on companies exploiting customers, that includes all car manufacturers, all corporations, also monopolies like BT ,sky and RAC

scrap the £60 billion trains stink......we the tax payers pay 60 billion for a privatised rail system and the companies and shareholders take the profits? can no one tell this is 100% corrupt. privatising profits , socialising losses?

labour are as bad if not worse.

trouble is who else is there? clegg? don't make me laugh? all that's left is the nationalist parties or ukip or green peace? no wonder salmond was doing so well

Obviously that is your view the truth, and I respect you have become so disillisioned as to Labour that you think that way.

However I don't see Labour that way now, I really belive given the chance Ed Miliband will do what he says he will he hasn't gone fare nough for me as to some policies I would like to see but of the 3,he is the one I would now trust most.
He as yet, has not lied to the voters as leader of his party.

You raise the very valid point, under the eclectoral system we have,who else is there that can govern.
As you say, certainly not Clegg, who actually deserves to lose his own seat in my view,for the way he kicked in the teeh those who trusted him in 2010.

I for one, would hate to see and do not want, more of the same austerity measures there ahs been this last 5 years.
So yes, who is there, there will have to be some cuts, everyone accepts that but the cuts on the scale the Conservatives are planning again,in my view are inappropriate and too excessive.

A slower and more controlled way is needed and that is why this time around, I am prepared to try the opposition's way.
It is why among many other areas of policy they have too,Labour has won my vote in this election.
No more cuts for me and when I hear all this supposed good news from the Conseravtives,I am left suspicious as to how strong the recovery really is at this time since they say even more cuts are needed than was the case in 2010.
No thank you, the most vulnerable couldn't manage with more savage cuts like have been done, there has to be another way and I am prepared to see if in fact Ed Miliband will deliver that, and with more compassion in policies too.

You say Labour lost compassion 30 years ago, I actually see a fair bit in its policies in this election, I seen not the tiniest bit of compassion in any of the Conservative party's policies, all I see there are really ugly policies which I think will not work as in fact they really haven't this last 5 years.

I do appreciate and respect your view that you hold too, clearly you have lived under more of both govts; maybe a bit longer than I have and have your reasons from experience of both for being greatly didillusioned with likely the lot of them.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Obviously that is your view the truth, and I respect you have become so disillisioned as to Labour that you think that way.

However I don't see Labour that way now, I really belive given the chance Ed Miliband will do what he says he will he hasn't gone fare nough for me as to some policies I would like to see but of the 3,he is the one I would now trust most.
He as yet, has not lied to the voters as leader of his party.

You raise the very valid point, under the eclectoral system we have,who else is there that can govern.
As you say, certainly not Clegg, who actually deserves to lose his own seat in my view,for the way he kicked in the teeh those who trusted him in 2010.

I for one, would hate to see and do not want, more of the same austerity measures there ahs been this last 5 years.
So yes, who is there, there will have to be some cuts, everyone accepts that but the cuts on the scale the Conservatives are planning again,in my view are inappropriate and too excessive.

A slower and more controlled way is needed and that is why this time around, I am prepared to try the opposition's way.
It is why among many other areas of policy they have too,Labour has won my vote in this election.
No more cuts for me and when I hear all this supposed good news from the Conseravtives,I am left suspicious as to how strong the recovery really is at this time since they say even more cuts are needed than was the case in 2010.
No thank you, the most vulnerable couldn't manage with more savage cuts like have been done, there has to be another way and I am prepared to see if in fact Ed Miliband will deliver that, and with more compassion in policies too.

You say Labour lost compassion 30 years ago, I actually see a fair bit in its policies in this election, I seen not the tiniest bit of compassion in any of the Conservative party's policies, all I see there are really ugly policies which I think will not work as in fact they really haven't this last 5 years.

I do appreciate and respect your view that you hold too, clearly you have lived under more of both govts; maybe a bit longer than I have and have your reasons from experience of both for being greatly didillusioned with likely the lot of them.

miliband has already blown it by asking Cameron to promise not to RAISE VAT when he should have asked him to promise to LOWER VAT.

VAT WAS MEANT TO BE A TAX ON THE RICH ON LUXURY GOODS, NOW ITS ON EVERYTHING, THE POOR PAY IT AND THE RICH JUST CLAIM IT ALL BACK ON BUSINESS EXPENSES. ITS DISGUSTING. it also stops small businesses growing and challenging the established big businesses. its anti competitive enslavement tax. now the poor pay a bigger proportion in tax than the rich and its mainly labours fault.

the mainstream news is a joke a sick joke. the Westminster bubble only talks about the same things, farage, austerity, women only shortlists, milibands appearance its pathetic

what about council waste and corruption? what about the utter failure of the welsh assembly what about the 3000+ petty new labour laws, what about issues like the endless rise of male suicides and fathers rights, what about the disabled? they still in 2015 cant even access half the buildings , most of which do not even have disabled access toilets. Westminster has women only shortlists? why? what about disabled only? poor only? Asian only? these are groups under represented in parliament. no wonder no one fights for the sick and disabled ive only ever seen 1 wheelchair in the building. is that representative of the public 1 disabled person in 650 mps? none in the other 3 parliaments either? the other massive issue is the vats number of mps are simply sons of millionaires

then the roads the police the council the nhs cover ups and abuses and care homes too........in the public sector no one ever gets sacked unless they commit murder it seems. its a disgrace.

labour let the bankers run riot and let them all off scot free...the tories just continued. Obama held them to account in America....he fined them 100s of billions. he tightened up all regulations too and frankly hes done a fine job in restructuring their economy overall. despite the enormous debt , house market collapse 10.5% unemployment he was left with , oh and 2 unwinnable wars....weve barely scratched around the edges. we don't argue moral issues anymore, theyre too spineless for that. we don't fight the real crooks nor do we fight the power , we just go for easy targets

[arista]

Diane Abbott: Labour's 'controls on immigration'
tea/coffee mugs are shameful

Labour is Split over there product

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-mugs-shameful


Not a Party in unity

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Diane Abbott: Labour's 'controls on immigration'
tea/coffee mugs are shameful

Labour is Split over there product

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-mugs-shameful


Not a Party in unity

I cannot speak for all time but I recall loads of rumblings and moaning at Tony Blair from older labour politicians and even some standing as candidates who hated the title, 'new' Labour.
Yet he won 3 elections in a row and with the best set of overall majorites post war too.

Items the parties have are not decided by the leaders or liekly most of the MPs too.
Anyway,immigration is supposed the issue people are most concerned about, so any party advocating stronger conditions to immigration should be seen as doing right in the main.

I would never buy the mug but then I don't like immigration getting so much negative press anyway.

Now please, as to Diane Abbott, she doesn't always talk nonsense but I am pretty hard pressed to find a leader she likes as to Labour leaders.
She has always been a loose cannon.

I prefer to hear parties debating what is right for them and not 'in the open', at least we get that from Labour.
If you think the Conservative party is united, think again, there are a good many in the party hoping Cameron fails in this election so they can get rid of him in an instant when he does.

The same, even moreso with the Lib Dems, who are just waiting to stick the knife in Clegg after May 7th.

Labour is as united on its main issues that any party likely can be,every one of the 3 main parties have massive discontent in them from a good number of MPs and workers against their leaders.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

Diane Abbott: Labour's 'controls on immigration'
tea/coffee mugs are shameful

Labour is Split over there product

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-mugs-shameful


Not a Party in unity

she is so awful. a disgrace to any party

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

she is so awful. a disgrace to any party

You bet me to it LT - I thoroughly DETEST this woman and I know detest is a strong word but she infuriates me every time I see the stupid bitch.

I once stopped watching 'Question Time' because I wanted to grab her neck through the TV screen.

[MTVN]

Don't you all bad mouth the great Diane she is a politician of principles and integrity and has great banter with Portillo and Neil on This Week

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Don't you all bad mouth the great Diane she is a politician of principles and integrity and has great banter with Portillo and Neil on This Week

You are living breathing proof MT, that even the most intelligent of men can have appalling 'blind spots'.

Spoiler:

Because Me and LT CAN'T be wrong.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Don't you all bad mouth the great Diane she is a politician of principles and integrity and has great banter with Portillo and Neil on This Week

Don't make me laugh she made a proper exhibition of herself the week before last !
Personally i can never understand a word she saying - why the hell did she not get her adenoids sorted ???

Also the dough she's on you would think she could afford a decent weave !!

[arista]

"Labour is as united on its main issues"


Bollocks it is
shame you do not watch Ch4HD News,.
Joey

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"Labour is as united on its main issues"


Bollocks it is
shame you do not watch Ch4HD News,.
Joey

I watch all the news programmes arista,I just don't arrive at the same conclusions as you do, either towards the Conservatives who in your eyes appear to mainly do everything right and Labour who can do no right where you are concerned.

I am always happy to listen to, watch and analyse whatever Conservatives say as I do with Labour too and then form an opinion on the whole overall picture rather than have a pre-conceived one although I am looking to hopefully hear of ideas and policies that I can support.

Quite frankly a perfect Saint could be leading Labour but MPs like Diane Abbott still would find fault,she has rarely toed the party line as to anything.

Although I do have to agree with MTVN,she is much better on the 'this week' programme when on with Michael Portillo and Andrew Neill.

I think Labour is pretty much united on its main policies as best as any party can be, you can never carry the whole party with you all the time.
However I would rather see any differences aired rather than be cowardly held back like the Conservatives and Lib Dems MPs and workers are doing as to their leaders.