[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Kirk sets off with a van load of sand and cement to begin rebuilding Hadrian's Wall.

Farage must have the same idea, his policies are built on pillars of sand.

[Shaun]

I don't know why I voted since I didn't watch. I just assumed Cameron would slither through the show with the more convincing lies.

[Kizzy]

You voted for the lizard?..

[Shaun]

Well I won't be in May so that's all that matters

[Brother Leon]

Clegg and Sturgeon.

[arista]

The polls on the news have the Winner as SNP


Well Done her

[joeysteele]

Really no one was that outstanding but Nicola Sturgeon for me performed the best, she was reasoned and knew her stuff.

Ed Miliband performed the better of the 3 main party leaders,David Cameron seemed like someone with very little to say and he appeared to want to avoid any in depth analysis of what he was saying.

Nigel Farage as ever performed really good until his hiv example, that will cause him some problems I feel.
However, as Nicola Sturgeon asked, was there anything Nigel Farage wouldn't blame on foreigners,a valid point after last night as to him actually.

Nick Clegg,tried desperately to disassociate himself from some of the really severe things this govt; has done and rightly in the end got a rebuke for his stance from David Cameron.
That was Nick Cleggs' problem last night, David Cameron in the main put forward his policies from 2010 throughout this parliament, even being allowed to go too far on some.
Nick Clegg abandoned all his party's principles and the bulk of his policies to be in govt;,this is the price you pay for betraying the voters who trusted you,while you then act in your own interests.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What was interesting was the rehearsed way Milliband acted, turning to the camera to make a point, swivelling to cameron time and time again. People dont want American politics (and he has a very highly paid Washington adviser as does Dave) they prefer the realism of Farage and Sturgeon.

You dont win things like this but you can gain status and the ladies won the show from that point.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

What was interesting was the rehearsed way Milliband acted, turning to the camera to make a point, swivelling to cameron time and time again. People dont want American politics (and he has a very highly paid Washington adviser as does Dave) they prefer the realism of Farage and Sturgeon.

You dont win things like this but you can gain status and the ladies won the show from that point.

Yes and Glaring at the Camera
even when it moved.


Joeys Top man
Fake

[Pete.]

Well it wasn't Natalie Bennett

[joeysteele]

Funny how different people see things, anyway, for me, David Cameron will have probably done nothing to draw back voters who have gone to UKIP, he just didn't as the PM of the UK take Nigel Farage on at all,and frankly David Cameron was sunk when Ed Miliband highlighted how isolated Cameron has become in Europe,David Cameron too, was lost when Farage hammered home the fact that Merkel in Germany caled the shots in the EU really.
he had no answers at all to any of that.
He may in fact have sent even more 'soft' Conservative support at present to UKIP.

Ed Miliband didn't do too that good but he did enough and the loud message from the debate was that Cameron's way forward was not acceptable to all the others in the main.
What also happened was that Nicola Sturgeon purged pretty well the ogre image being painted by Cameron and the Conservatives as to the SNP.
Which may well have made a Labour led govt; with SNP support less negative now for voters.
This was his only chance really to take on the other leaders of parties in the UK. and Cameron said very little at all and challenged even less from and as to them.

Miliband will be in the next debate, neither Cameron or Clegg will.
As was said on the news today,it appeared like Cameron just wanted to get it over with as quickly and quietly as possible and there were even times Clegg didn't appear to want to be there either.

Cameron rarely connected,seemingly shy of the cameras and was very downbeat and glum throughout.
For a sitting PM with a supposed good record to defend, there was little evidence for me that was the case at all or that this was even a worthy PM too.

All he could do was harp on about creating 2,000,000 jobs while at the same time, dismissing the near unanimous view of the others that the jobs were not secure or even regular full time jobs.
he again left himself and ooked totally isolated on that too.

No killer blows were struck by any of them really, that would have been hard to do anyway with 7 of them there and the limited time.
However the polls seem to be saying overall, no change has ocurred from the debate,things are still close except that the SNP,thanks to Nicola Sturgeon's performance and explanation of their policies,has come across as far more credible now.

[MTVN]

Whatever Sturgeon says or however well she came across I could never really shake the fact that I can't vote for her party, I want politicians up there who care about all of the UK and want to govern the country as a whole. Maybe Sturgeon does want a say in governing the country but only as a means to an end of breaking up the UK or at the very least having ever more powers and money devolved to Scotland, and I'm sorry but that is just not something that anyone outside of Scotland wants or is interested in happening.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Whatever Sturgeon says or however well she came across I could never really shake the fact that I can't vote for her party, I want politicians up there who care about all of the UK and want to govern the country as a whole. Maybe Sturgeon does want a say in governing the country but only as a means to an end of breaking up the UK or at the very least having ever more powers and money devolved to Scotland, and I'm sorry but that is just not something that anyone outside of Scotland wants or is interested in happening.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Who do you think won the leaders' TV debate?

• Natalie Bennett 2% 230 votes
  
• Nick Clegg 2% 256 votes
  
• Nigel Farage 34% 4,991 votes
  
• Ed Miliband 7% 1,051 votes
  
• Leanne Wood 2% 305 votes
  
• Nicola Sturgeon 18% 2,614 votes
  
• David Cameron 35% 5,078 votes

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3WElST2Sb

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Who do you think won the leaders' TV debate?

• Natalie Bennett 2% 230 votes
  
• Nick Clegg 2% 256 votes
  
• Nigel Farage 34% 4,991 votes
  
• Ed Miliband 7% 1,051 votes
  
• Leanne Wood 2% 305 votes
  
• Nicola Sturgeon 18% 2,614 votes
  
• David Cameron 35% 5,078 votes

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3WElST2Sb

So??? Who won? And who came second?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Whatever Sturgeon says or however well she came across I could never really shake the fact that I can't vote for her party, I want politicians up there who care about all of the UK and want to govern the country as a whole. Maybe Sturgeon does want a say in governing the country but only as a means to an end of breaking up the UK or at the very least having ever more powers and money devolved to Scotland, and I'm sorry but that is just not something that anyone outside of Scotland wants or is interested in happening.

I agree, bit ironic that she wants each countries votes counted in referendum on Europe so they won't be dragged out when her party would have taken Scotland out of Europe had they won a yes vote

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I agree, bit ironic that she wants each countries votes counted in referendum on Europe so they won't be dragged out when her party would have taken Scotland out of Europe had they won a yes vote

Brilliantly pointed out Cherie (why don't you move in with me in my squat? )

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I agree, bit ironic that she wants each countries votes counted in referendum on Europe so they won't be dragged out when her party would have taken Scotland out of Europe had they won a yes vote

How is this, I thought she was totally against leaving the EU?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-eu-referendum

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I agree, bit ironic that she wants each countries votes counted in referendum on Europe so they won't be dragged out when her party would have taken Scotland out of Europe had they won a yes vote

She wouldn't have Cherie to be fair, the SNP wanted to remain part of the EU or join it if they couldn't at the point of independence.

I myself really believe in the 18 monthns to 2 year period before independence was in force for Scotland that the Eu would have accommodated them and fasttracked them as members too.

In fact it was the UK that as a memebr of the EU had Scotland left the UK, who maybe should have been forced to look at its EU status,after all without Scotland the United Kingdom is no longer in fact the United Kingdom at all.

It is SNP policy to be in the EU, the SNP wants Scotland to remain in the EU, hence why with 3 other Nations as part of the UK, I think she had a valid point as to that all Nations of the UK should agree to leaving the EU via a referendum and not just have the South of England in the main dictate to the whole of the rest of the UK.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Whatever Sturgeon says or however well she came across I could never really shake the fact that I can't vote for her party, I want politicians up there who care about all of the UK and want to govern the country as a whole. Maybe Sturgeon does want a say in governing the country but only as a means to an end of breaking up the UK or at the very least having ever more powers and money devolved to Scotland, and I'm sorry but that is just not something that anyone outside of Scotland wants or is interested in happening.

Its easy to take that view when your own country is 10 ntimes biugger than any other in the union etc etc

I would imagine if you lived in Wales , NI or Scotland your view may differ as it would if Scotland had 50 million and england 5.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its easy to take that view when your own country is 10 ntimes biugger than any other in the union etc etc

I would imagine if you lived in Wales , NI or Scotland your view may differ as it would if Scotland had 50 million and england 5.

It's easy because it's true: no one outside of Scotland can vote SNP, they do want to break up the Union, and they do think they should have more powers and more money. Not hard to see why that is disagreeable to English voters no matter how much we are portrayed as bloated overlords desperate to keep the poor Scots and Welsh down. IMO the Union won't survive more than another two decades, and just as important as the SNP and Plaid Cymru to that will be when England gets fed up of always being the villain of the play. If a Labour/SNP coalition is the result of the election there will be a hell of a lot of Englanders wishing that Scotland would have voted Yes after all.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's easy because it's true: no one outside of Scotland can vote SNP, they do want to break up the Union, and they do think they should have more powers and more money. Not hard to see why that is disagreeable to English voters no matter how much we are portrayed as bloated overlords desperate to keep the poor Scots and Welsh down. IMO the Union won't survive more than another two decades, and just as important as the SNP and Plaid Cymru to that will be when England gets fed up of always being the villain of the play. If a Labour/SNP coalition is the result of the election there will be a hell of a lot of Englanders wishing that Scotland would have voted Yes after all.

We are portrayed as bloated overlords as our current government are governing like bloated overlords.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I thought (again) Cameron was detached and not really engaged in the debate (it may be a tactic from his Washington advisor?) Milliband just tries too hard and his obsession with Dave and his "if I am your PM" tactic (again probably from his USA advisor) became tiresome.

I found the 3 ladies refreshing probably because they spoke for themselves and less from advisers.

But from listening to 5 live/lbc this morning Nicola was the star.

Nigel preached a l;ovely sermon to the converted and as JS said the sounds of that sermon may have drifted from the High Church of UKip down the country lanes and into the ears of some flaky Tory voters.

[MTVN]

In truth it was fairly sensible from Cameron. He might not have lit up the debate but he came through it unscathed and the election is still far enough away now that by May 7 this debate and the memory of it won't impact that much on voters in their view of him. That's about as good as any PM can hope for in a debate like this unless their five years in office have been ones of unqualified success.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by MTVN

In truth it was fairly sensible from Cameron. He might not have lit up the debate but he came through it unscathed and the election is still far enough away now that by May 7 this debate and the memory of it won't impact that much on voters in their view of him. That's about as good as any PM can hope for in a debate like this unless their five years in office have been ones of unqualified success.

Yes I think it may have been the tactic and it may prove to be the right one, if not the most televisual