[Kizzy]

If she adores her children so much why is she putting her ageing body through so much,
a healthy woman in her 20s is at serious risk carrying quads, a woman of 65... madness.

[Marsh.]

I don't think men have it easier when it comes to response to them having kids in old age. Rod Stewart gets a lot of comments similar about it.

[LukeB]

Has she given birth yet?

When you get old your body starts to get weak and you end up having so many problems, i wonder how she's going to cope with the bump and the birth

[Vanessa]

17 kids is too much!

[Crimson Dynamo]

No more sperm bank donations for me

my special little sailors could have been involved

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No more sperm bank donations for me

my special little sailors could have been involved

[Ross.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No more sperm bank donations for me

my special little sailors could have been involved

[Jake.]

At the end of the day, if she feels like she can care for her children and there's zero evidence to support otherwise then yeah, good luck to her with it.. So many children go unloved and neglected..

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jake.

So many children go unloved and neglected..

I completely agree with this and think people like this lady should take up adoption/fostering. So many children are in great need of it.

Rather than risking the life of 4 newborns with an increased risk of disability/health problems due to both her age and the fact they're quads.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I completely agree with this and think people like this lady should take up adoption/fostering. So many children are in great need of it.

Rather than risking the life of 4 newborns with an increased risk of disability/health problems due to both her age and the fact they're quads.

The eggs are donated too. What are the health risks and why are people so interested? Some women smoke and drink through their pregnancy, that's also putting their child at risk.

Do you think a teenage mother, pregnant by accident, is going to make a better mother than this woman?

There are so many other more pressing worries than this.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

The eggs are donated too. What are the health risks and why are people so interested? Some women smoke and drink through their pregnancy, that's also putting their child at risk.

Do you think a teenage mother, pregnant by accident, is going to make a better mother than this woman?

There are so many other more pressing worries than this.

Well, I'm commenting on it because it is the thread topic is it not?

Where did I suggest she's the worst mother to walk the earth and worse than teenage or drinking/smoking mums?

Yes, there are definitely more pressing worries. There tends to be more worrying/important things in the world than some things discussed on this forum but hey-ho, that's life. Doesn't mean we can't discuss it.

Yes, pregnancies with more than 1 child are of a higher risk to the child. Just as the older the woman is, the more risk to the child. That's pretty much common knowledge.

Not to mention I believe menopause is nature's way of saying "That's enough".

[Marsh.]

There is a reason that there comes a time when women can no longer conceive children.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

There is a reason that there comes a time when women can no longer conceive children.

So if a woman has her menopause at 30, you think she should be refused help because it's natures way of telling her, no?

Medical science has improved in all areas, it seems strange that this is the one most people are objecting to.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

So if a woman has her menopause at 30, you think she should be refused help because it's natures way of telling her, no?

Medical science has improved in all areas, it seems strange that this is the one most people are objecting to.

what do you mean? It's the topic of the thread, just because people object to this doesn't mean they think everything else is ok and great

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

what do you mean? It's the topic of the thread, just because people object to this doesn't mean they think everything else is ok and great

Noooooooooo I don't mean that. I mean medical science makes massive leaps forward with all kind of treatment including fertility treatment. But this isn't the first thread on here about an older woman becoming a mother and it's the same story. No one cares enough to make a thread that, for instance, Billy Joel at the same age as this woman is about to become a father. But there's merry hell on if it's a woman.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Noooooooooo I don't mean that. I mean medical science makes massive leaps forward with all kind of treatment including fertility treatment. But this isn't the first thread on here about an older woman becoming a mother and it's the same story. No one cares enough to make a thread that, for instance, Billy Joel at the same age as this woman is about to become a father. But there's merry hell on if it's a woman.

If there was a thread made about that I would say the same thing

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

what do you mean? It's the topic of the thread, just because people object to this doesn't mean they think everything else is ok and great

Exactly.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

So if a woman has her menopause at 30, you think she should be refused help because it's natures way of telling her, no?

Medical science has improved in all areas, it seems strange that this is the one most people are objecting to.

No. But there's a reason a woman's body doesn't let her reproduce passed a certain age. As I said, there are other (far safer) options than carrying a child at such an old age.

[smudgie]

She is a ruddy nutter..already had thirteen kids and now 4 more on the way.
Rather greedy.

[Vicky.]

Theres a big difference between a mother and a father having a kid really late in life though, being that the male doesn't have to carry the child..which in itself could bring huge complications especially with her age. Also traditionally (I know not always) the woman tends to have a more active role in the childrens life too, especially when they are babies. Along with that this woman seems to be 'going it alone' so to speak, which theres not a problem with BUT, this is what makes it different from an older guy having a kid with a younger mum. Nature tells us women to stop..and its for a reason. Yes some people have the menopause early, or can never naturally have kids. But generally, a woman can naturally have children til shes about 50 ish. Men never stop being able to (again generally)

Also personally I find it rather selfish for 70 year old blokes and such to keep fathering kids But I see a big difference between a 65 year old bloke getting someone pregnant, and a 65 year old woman being inseminated to be pregnant and have a child. Just enjoy being a grandmother, or adopt ffs

[Ammi]

....hmmm, this is a funny one, I'm not sure what my thoughts are about it...to an extent I agree with Livia, there is so much we take from early childhood that helps form our adult characters and if she is a great mother and inspiration and wisdom to her children, I think someone like that would benefit a young life hugely...I'm sure for any of us who have had great people in our lives who we have lost, whatever much time we've had with them, we would rather have had that than never had them at all...I'm also kind of assuming that with the size of her family, she has made provisions for the children to be well cared for and loved if anything did happen with her health and she wasn't able to look after them...also, I guess at 65yrs, she could still possibly be with them until they are adults....

...I think what does bother me though is the ethics of it all, it kind of feels as though she's some kind of 'experiment' type thing....I wouldn't have thought that there are many 65yr olds who would want to have a baby at that time in life and she already has 13 children so has fully experienced motherhood, it's not something she feels she wants to experience for the first time etc..so even if she wanted this, it was ultimately a medical decision that allowed it and was it just to see if it was possible with disregard for her health and welfare/age because it would be obvious that it would gain attention....I mean even if she were much younger, with 13 children already...should the medical profession support and agree to her want to have a 14th and offer her fertility treatment to achieve it....hmmmm....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....hmmm, this is a funny one, I'm not sure what my thoughts are about it...to an extent I agree with Livia, there is so much we take from early childhood that helps form our adult characters and if she is a great mother and inspiration and wisdom to her children, I think someone like that would benefit a young life hugely...I'm sure for any of us who have had great people in our lives who we have lost, whatever much time we've had with them, we would rather have had that than never had them at all...I'm also kind of assuming that with the size of her family, she has made provisions for the children to be well cared for and loved if anything did happen with her health and she wasn't able to look after them...also, I guess at 65yrs, she could still possibly be with them until they are adults....

...I think what does bother me though is the ethics of it all, it kind of feels as though she's some kind of 'experiment' type thing....I wouldn't have thought that there are many 65yr olds who would want to have a baby at that time in life and she already has 13 children so has fully experienced motherhood, it's not something she feels she wants to experience for the first time etc..so even if she wanted this, it was ultimately a medical decision that allowed it and was it just to see if it was possible with disregard for her health and welfare/age because it would be obvious that it would gain attention....I mean even if she were much younger, with 13 children already...should the medical profession support and agree to her want to have a 14th and offer her fertility treatment to achieve it....hmmmm....

It's all well and good making decisions about having child after child but expecting your children to raise them for you? I don't think that's acceptable.
she has a 10yr old as well as these 4 babies (if they all survive) and possibly others under 18, passing the responsibility for all those children onto others would be unfair.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....hmmm, this is a funny one, I'm not sure what my thoughts are about it...to an extent I agree with Livia, there is so much we take from early childhood that helps form our adult characters and if she is a great mother and inspiration and wisdom to her children, I think someone like that would benefit a young life hugely...I'm sure for any of us who have had great people in our lives who we have lost, whatever much time we've had with them, we would rather have had that than never had them at all...I'm also kind of assuming that with the size of her family, she has made provisions for the children to be well cared for and loved if anything did happen with her health and she wasn't able to look after them...also, I guess at 65yrs, she could still possibly be with them until they are adults....

...I think what does bother me though is the ethics of it all, it kind of feels as though she's some kind of 'experiment' type thing....I wouldn't have thought that there are many 65yr olds who would want to have a baby at that time in life and she already has 13 children so has fully experienced motherhood, it's not something she feels she wants to experience for the first time etc..so even if she wanted this, it was ultimately a medical decision that allowed it and was it just to see if it was possible with disregard for her health and welfare/age because it would be obvious that it would gain attention....I mean even if she were much younger, with 13 children already...should the medical profession support and agree to her want to have a 14th and offer her fertility treatment to achieve it....hmmmm....

I do understand people's objections but I feel sure an educated woman, a teacher, wouldn't have gone into this blindly. People are also misunderstanding the point about her "making arrangements, assuming this means children bringing up children. I'm sure her older children are well into adulthood and able to have a conversation about the future without people assuming they're idiots unable to make a decision on their own. And "family" means a wider group than just children. People are living longer, everyone's assuming this woman's going to be dead in ten years and I doubt, if there were any indications that she would be, that she would have gone ahead with this. Which brings us back to, no one knows how long they've got.

[Marsh.]

Vicky explaining my points so much more eloquently.

[Kizzy]

The issue isn't whether she would make a good mother it's if her body will be strong enough to cope with the trauma of a multiple birth.
Carrying 1 baby at 65 would be a strain, but 4?
For me it's more irresponsible than the teen having one.