[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It isn't going to be swept under the carpet Kizzy, the DPP was on the news tonight and said a mechanism is in place where the victims can get their stories/allegations publicly aired as in an inquiry.

There was no court case for Jimmy Saville,there was and still is inquiries going on as to his hospital crimes but there will be no court case.

The same with this guy, since he is now unable to understand what would be going on and cannot even be interviewed either as there would be no point.
No punishment or sentence would be able to be given, hence no prosecution.

She did state,an outlet would be there for the victims to state their issues,likely publicly if they wished it so but that is as far as it can go if someone cannot understand what is going on around them.
You have to be able to hear both sides in a court to make a judgement,that is impossible to do in this case.

That's good then, an inquiry or whatever just something to air what the grievances are against this man and anyone else involved in the previous investigations in the 90s.
Why has it taken so long? It's so frustrating that these people manage to slither under the radar and evade paying for their crimes while hiding behind a false facade of respectability as part of the establishment.

[Kizzy]

So what if he's ill? Savile was dead and he had a trial... it could still go ahead. It's going to be like this for every MP or peer implicated they will find a way for them to worm out of it, it's sickening!

[Kizzy]

So the victims shouldn't expect justice? I'm sorry I can't accept that.

[Mystic Mock]

Am I the only one thinking that his got the best punishment with his Dementia? I know it sounds sick but that sounds like sweet justice for a paedophile.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Am I the only one thinking that his got the best punishment with his Dementia? I know it sounds sick but that sounds like sweet justice for a paedophile.

No
as he does not know whats going on.


Meanwhile
those boys he Raped
can go in court as they on older now
and tell the World how Evil he was.

He will be found Guilty
but no one will tell him.


Do you know his Family say he has done nothing wrong
but they were not at the London room.



Never Use Joey on a Legal Issue

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

No
as he does not know whats going on.


Meanwhile
those boys he Raped
can go in court as they on older now
and tell the World how Evil he was.

He will be found Guilty
but no one will tell him.


Do you know his Family say he has done nothing wrong
but they were not at the London room.



Never Use Joey on a Legal Issue

When did you become lawyer arista? I must have missed that somehow.

I told you everything that was possible as to this case going to court, you now should know it cannot for the reasons stated by the Director of Public Prosecutions herself.
You told me to watch Channel 4 news last night, well if you did, you would have heard her say everything I was saying.

I am not in any way intentionally to likely post something I know not to be true and with respect I may have better idea of the law and for that matter what the law can do than you since I studied it for 3 years at Uni and have done a further year since too.

All I have said was borne out yesterday by the DPP, so kindly stop this getting at me and saying I know nothing when with respect I likely already know a good sight more than you, especially on how the law works in the UK, since you think there can be a court case, whicjh there cannot be.

If you can only insult people then avoid them arista.
My word is my bond and that is something I fight very hard to make sure that my word can be trusted.

So very forcefully with regret,I urge you to retract that last part of your post and please stop getting at people who are simply telling the truth and facts as they are, and not how you think they should be.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

.............Never Use Joey on a Legal Issue

Joey's posts on this thread have been informed and well-thought through demonstrating his knowledge of the law. You could do a LOT worse than take his professional opinion on board.

[Kizzy]

No, it would be better if he got some stinging fatal knob rot.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No, it would be better if he got some stinging fatal knob rot.

Are you suggesting we send arista to meet him? Thats Biological warfare.

[Mystic Mock]

I think Joey tbf is quite balanced in his view which is quite good going into Law.

Me and Kizzy however could struggle as we do tend to go down the one side lol.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I think Joey tbf is quite balanced in his view which is quite good going into Law.

Me and Kizzy however could struggle as we do tend to go down the one side lol.

The Police Chief
has said it can still go to court,
without that Evil man there

I Trust him

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I think Joey tbf is quite balanced in his view which is quite good going into Law.

Me and Kizzy however could struggle as we do tend to go down the one side lol.

I know Joey is right, fair minded and balanced it's what I admire most about him, I definitely go to one side on this you're right, it really sticks in my craw that he wasn't made to face a judge for what not 1 but 20 men accuse him of, child abuse.

[Livia]

arista, you need to change your thread title. It says this man is guilty when he hasn't been tried.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

arista, you need to change your thread title. It says this man is guilty when he hasn't been tried.

Done

[arista]

Reports are now in that a week before he was
reviewed by dodgy doctors
he was sending notes to the House of Lords.

There is a Stink now

[arista]

[Tom4784]

It's sad that charges couldn't have been brought against him when he was well enough to be tried for his crimes.

It's the DoJ's fault for not being able to build a case sooner.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's sad that charges couldn't have been brought against him when he was well enough to be tried for his crimes.

It's the DoJ's fault for not being able to build a case sooner.

Yes
but New Labour were in Power


something is being hidden

[Kizzy]

Apparently they knew nothing about it.....hmmmm.

A former director of public prosecutions has criticised Crown Prosecution Service officials for failing to present him with new evidence in 2007 of the Labour peer Lord Janner’s alleged abuse of children.

Lord Macdonald QC said that instead of passing on allegations of serious sexual offences against Janner, local CPS officials in Leicestershire dropped the pursuit of charges without consulting headquarters in London.

His comments shed more light on how Janner escaped prosecution for eight years, following a third police inquiry into claims that he abused a number of young boys.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...ormer-dpp-says

[joeysteele]

The Conservatives were in power too in 1991 when this all first surfaced.

Anyway no cheap political point scoring from me, all I will say is there clearly are issues as to him and Cyril Smith particularly.
However the fact his health makes it impossible for him to 'understand' a trial,will mean little will come of it as to any sentencing or punishment,which still makes a trial in the true meaning of the word, pointless, although there can be some inquiry.

Maybe one Doctor could be wrong but not 4, and 2 of those who examined him were ordered by the CPS directly, so it is probably pure speculation as to dodgy Doctors.

The one fact I believe lies behind all of these instances is that every single party will likely have previous MPs who have been involved in cases like this.
Which is why we need that dossier found and published and whoever may be Home Secretary after the election must ensure some inquiry is put in place and these issues addressed for the genuine victims.

I would guess all parties however are biting their nails at the possibility of this can of worms being opened up for all to see and hear about.

[bots]

This is not about political parties, this is about individuals in positions of influence looking after their friends. In days gone by it was very common to ask a friend to help you out if they were in a position to influence the result. This manifested itself in people being employed if they went to the correct school etc etc, and applied to all walks of life, across the board.

Times have changed, and this is no longer appropriate, but clearly some "friends" didn't know what lines couldn't be crossed in their willingness to get people out of a spot of bother. Its all going to come out, but I can easily see it applying to many many high ranking individuals of a certain age across the entire political spectrum.

[Kizzy]

Nothings changed that still happens the old boys club.

[arista]

[Kizzy]

Funny I was just reading about this.

The decision by the Crown Prosecution Service not to bring charges against the wealthy peer and establishment insider Lord Greville Janner in connection with allegations of child abuse has been met with outrage among the general public and police.

Janner, now 86, has been investigated by the police four times in the last 25 years. More than a dozen people came forward to say that they had been abused by the former MP at children’s homes - but once again he’s been let off the hook - with the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) citing as the reason the “severity” of Lord Janner’s dementia.

What makes the decision particularly hard to take is that the CPS openly admits that Janner should have been prosecuted following investigations in the past, and that the charges against him were “extremely serious”.

http://rt.com/op-edge/250553-child-sex-abuse-janner-uk/

[Kizzy]

The mental capacity of Lord Janner, who will not face child abuse charges because he has dementia, could still be examined by third-party expert witnesses, according to a lawyer representing several of his alleged victims.

The move would be initiated as part of a series of civil claims being brought by alleged victims of the Labour peer who have been left distraught by the news that he will not face trial.

Richard Scorer, head of the abuse team at Slater & Gordon, which is acting for a number of those looking to bring civil actions, said the prospect of having Janner examined by other experts was under consideration.


http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...se-lawyer-says