[arista]

This has set a good Example
for any Outsiders thinking they can Drug Run
in Indonesia.



Even Better than USA
as it was done fast.


Mary Jane Fiesta Veloso (centre) survived - spared after her alleged recruiter turned herself in

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3YggyPGk8

[Niamh.]

I wouldn't call that kind of "justice" a good example tbh

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I wouldn't call that kind of "justice" a good example tbh

Of Course Not
For here.


But out there Everyone Knows the Risk
they took the risk
crossed the line
Punishment : Death By Bullets

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by arista

Of Course Not
For here.


But out there Everyone Knows the Risk
they took the risk
crossed the line
Punishment : Death By Bullets

Yes it's silly to do it when you know what could happen if you're caught but I still think the death penalty for something like that is really, really wrong

[Helen 28]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes it's silly to do it when you know what could happen if you're caught but I still think the death penalty for something like that is really, really wrong

No sympathy at all, if you import or export drugs into or out of a country that you well know has the death penalty then you take the risk that when caught you'll die.

We have no right whatsoever to question other countries justice system, the same as other countries have no right to question our very light justice system where muggers and robbers walk free from court on a daily basis.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Helen 28

No sympathy at all, if you import or export drugs into or out of a country that you well know has the death penalty then you take the risk that when caught you'll die.

We have no right whatsoever to question other countries justice system, the same as other countries have no right to question our very light justice system where muggers and robbers walk free from court on a daily basis.

I can question it all I like tyvm

[Kizzy]

It's a hard line that's for sure :/

[MTVN]

It's a difficult one because they show absolutely no room for clemency with these men, who had apparently shown themselves as reformed characters while locked up, but then a couple like this can only get ten and eighteen years for murdering their relative and putting her in a suitcase. On the other hand I can understand that this is the decreed punishment for a crime that Indonesia is plagued by and that it'd be tricky to waver from their hardline stance now because they've been put under pressure from Australia. Six other men were executed as well this morning but they've been starved of the same level of attention.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's a difficult one because they show absolutely no room for clemency with these men, who had apparently shown themselves as reformed characters while locked up, but then a couple like this can only get ten and eighteen years for murdering their relative and putting her in a suitcase. On the other hand I can understand that this is the decreed punishment for a crime that Indonesia is plagued by and that it'd be tricky to waver from their hardline stance now because they've been put under pressure from Australia. Six other men were executed as well this morning but they've been starved of the same level of attention.

Good post - but Indonesian justice is no different to our own as far as inconsistencies go. From 'Street Crime' on TV; where one drunk who swears and kicks a policeman is wrestled to the ground by 4 cops, and fights them, only to be let go with a "telling off", while in the same program, another guy caught urinating in a quiet spot away from passers by, gets a Ł40.00 fine, to the huge variations in sentencing in our Crown Courts for every offence from Drug dealing to Murder.

The executed smugglers knew the risks.

[arista]

Sure
but for that nation
its normal

Respect that nations ways

[Kizzy]

It was a very brave thing for the recruiter to come forward for Mary Jane, won't that basically be a death sentence for her instead now though?

[Tom4784]

Barbarians.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Barbarians.

No Dezzy
its a Great Nation

Respect Their Laws

[Crimson Dynamo]

Best not to get involved in other countries rules.

[Helen 28]

This thread is really about the death penalty, some like it some don't.

Doubt that will ever change.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Helen 28

This thread is really about the death penalty, some like it some don't.

Doubt that will ever change.

mmm, I'm not 100% opposed to it when you have people like say that Polish man who raped and murdered that 9 year old girl in France, where there's DNA evidence and he actually confessed to it as well

[Helen 28]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

mmm, I'm not 100% opposed to it when you have people like say that Polish man who raped and murdered that 9 year old girl in France, where there's DNA evidence and he actually confessed to it as well

That was an horrific crime and I agree.

I have a theory and it's this :

A criminal who is being given a very long sentence in court could be asked on the day if he rather be executed.
He or she could be given a time to think about it and I firmly believe that someone faced with 30 odd years would often rather have it ended quickly.

Nobody could say they were executed by mistake, seems a good idea to me although we know it will never happen.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Helen 28

That was an horrific crime and I agree.

I have a theory and it's this :

A criminal who is being given a very long sentence in court could be asked on the day if he rather be executed.
He or she could be given a time to think about it and I firmly believe that someone faced with 30 odd years would often rather have it ended quickly.

Nobody could say they were executed by mistake, seems a good idea to me although we know it will never happen.

Well, my thinking behind cases like that one I just mentioned is more protecting other people by executing him rather then getting vengeance. I mean life never actually seems to mean life so monsters like that man should be taken out to protect people more than anything else. Yours is an interesting idea though

[bots]

Not wishing to seem harsh, but if the 2 men hadn't been caught, they would have carried on organising mules to do their dirty work for them for years to come. When faced with the prospect of the death penalty, anyone will look to the rehabilitation card if they think its their last possible prospect of avoiding the firing squad.

The penalty is harsh, no disputing that, but Indonesia need to do something to stamp the problem out.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Helen 28

That was an horrific crime and I agree.

I have a theory and it's this :

A criminal who is being given a very long sentence in court could be asked on the day if he rather be executed.
He or she could be given a time to think about it and I firmly believe that someone faced with 30 odd years would often rather have it ended quickly.

Nobody could say they were executed by mistake, seems a good idea to me although we know it will never happen.

..one thing with that though is that there are sometimes cases where people have confessed to crimes they didn't commit because of their mental state...there was one quite recently in America I believe, he wasn't executed but spent most of his life in prison when he was indeed innocent but confessed because of his mental health at the time....

[Helen 28]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..one thing with that though is that there are sometimes cases where people have confessed to crimes they didn't commit because of their mental state...there was one quite recently in America I believe, he wasn't executed but spent most of his life in prison when he was indeed innocent but confessed because of his mental health at the time....

Quite true, but I'm sure that mental health professionals would be able to sort them out and they could be denied the choice.
The amount of prisoners you're talking about is tiny anyway.

[Livia]

If you carry drugs in a country that carries the death penalty for drugs crimes, then you run the risk of being executed. If you are unaware of the consequences of carrying drugs into certain countries then you have no business having a passport.

I can't get emotional about these people being executed when I think of how many people die every day through taking drugs.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

If you carry drugs in a country that carries the death penalty for drugs crimes, then you run the risk of being executed. If you are unaware of the consequences of carrying drugs into certain countries then you have no business having a passport.

I can't get emotional about these people being executed when I think of how many people die every day through taking drugs.