[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

With respect not to people who have a strong faith it isn't fiction and fact.

That is disrespectful actually to people with genuinely held strong faith and beliefs.
None of which is seen as fiction by them.

Slightly even worse, as Kazanne has said, when one is said in full anger and the other said with pre meditation while totally calm.

Why is it disrespectful to say that you think Satan is fiction if you genuinely think that? There's actually alot of religious people who don't believe in Satan either

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why is it disrespectful to say that you think Satan is fiction if you genuinely think that? There's actually alot of religious people who don't believe in Satan either

I cant speak for other people ,but I believe in God and Satan who actually is a fallen angel,

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I cant speak for other people ,but I believe in God and Satan who actually is a fallen angel,

So? I said not all religious people believe in Satan

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why is it disrespectful to say that you think Satan is fiction if you genuinely think that? There's actually alot of religious people who don't believe in Satan either

I think it is disrespectful because if people have that strong belief then it is not fiction to them and if someone does have a strong faith,unless you ask them, you will not know for sure if they do not believe in a devil, Satan or whatever..

Fine to say such things to someone you know not to have such faith but to say it in the presence of others, not knowing what they all believe or what faith they have or even if they have no faith at all.
Is disrespectful.

Anyway, indicating someone is a spawn of Satan or a Devil, is indicating they are pure evil,now evil is a word I would use to describe actions of ISIS or really cruel Dictators.
As bad as any of the people in that house is,none of them justify,in a calm pre meditated way to be described as 'evil', whatever the form used as to it.
Just as equally, the terms used in strong anger by Helen towards Brian were also disrespectful inmy view.

Religion is a touchy subject,one best avoided, however to those with strong religious beliefs such terms are not fiction to them.

You have no belief so to you it is fiction,I respect that.
I have a kind of belief still,so I would however choose to be careful myself how I termed anything of a religious element both with people I know for sure who have a strong faith and also around people I know nothing about who are in earshot.
I see that myself as respecting others no matter how different in any way they may be to me.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think it is disrespectful because if people have that strong belief then it is not fiction to them and if someone does have a strong faith,unless you ask them, you will not know for sure if they do not believe in a devil, Satan or whatever..

Fine to say such things to someone you know not to have such faith but to say it in the presence of others, not knowing what they all believe or what faith they have or even if they have no faith at all.
Is disrespectful.

Anyway, indicating someone is a spawn of Satan or a Devil, is indicating they are pure evil,now evil is a word I would use to describe actions of ISIS or really cruel Dictators.
As bad as any of the people in that house is,none of them justify,in a calm pre meditated way to be described as 'evil', whatever the form used as to it.
Just as equally, the terms used in strong anger by Helen towards Brian were also disrespectful inmy view.

Religion is a touchy subject,one best avoided, however to those with strong religious beliefs such terms are not fiction to them.

You have no belief so to you it is fiction,I respect that.
I have a kind of belief still,so I would however choose to be careful myself how I termed anything of a religious element both with people I know for sure who have a strong faith and also around people I know nothing about who are in earshot.
I see that myself as respecting others no matter how different in any way they may be to me.

No offence to you Joey but I'm not going to pretend that I think some Demon mentioned in a book written thousands of years ago is real just because other people do believe it.

[bots]

people get much to hung up on individual words in my opinion. Its not the words that count, its the intent behind them. Helen wanted to convey that Brian looked a bit scary, Ais wanted to degrade Helen. Which is worst, to degrade clearly.

[Tarryn]

If there was a spawn of satan then he/she would be a murderer. They would be pure evil.
They are both pretty bad & let's face it BB is now a slanging match rather than a social experiment or game show.
I have nieces & nephews under the age of 10 who are more mature than some of those HM's.

[Liam-]

Didn't Nikki say Helen was 'born evil'? to me personally, that is on the same offense level as saying someone looks like a murderer.. saying someone looks like a murderer, alright, it's not very nice and everything, but saying someone was 'born evil' is a really strong thing to say to someone imo.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Didn't Nikki say Helen was 'born evil'? to me personally, that is on the same offense level as saying someone looks like a murderer.. saying someone looks like a murderer, alright, it's not very nice and everything, but saying someone was 'born evil' is a really strong thing to say to someone imo.

It's no where near as bad as what Helen said imo, saying you look like muderer is hell of a lot worse

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by LukeB

It's no where near as bad as what Helen said imo, saying you look like muderer is hell of a lot worse

There's a progamme on tv called 'Born evil' and it features the likes of murderers, rapists, serial killers, pedophiles and so on, it doesn't feature gob****es from reality tv shows.

I don't think the word 'evil' should even be used for the majority of people on reality shows anyway, it's so extreme and should only be used against people who truly deserve it.

So imo, saying someone was 'born evil' is equal to, if not worse, that saying someone looks like a murderer, I'm not excusing Helen's words in any way shape or form either before people try and jump on me again like they did last night, but I'm seeing things from both sides and Nikki's words had just as much meaning and depth as Helen's.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Liam-

There's a progamme on tv called 'Born evil' and it features the likes of murderers, rapists, serial killers, pedophiles and so on, it doesn't feature gob****es from reality tv shows.

I don't think the word 'evil' should even be used for the majority of people on reality shows anyway, it's so extreme and should only be used against people who truly deserve it.

So imo, saying someone was 'born evil' is equal to, if not worse, that saying someone looks like a murderer, I'm not excusing Helen's words in any way shape or form either before people try and jump on me again like they did last night, but I'm seeing things from both sides and Nikki's words had just as much meaning and depth as Helen's.

Nikki didn't mean it in that context tho and it's based on how she acts but Helen is basing her commets on appearance like she always does. Nikki's comments are not that vile compared to Helen's

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Didn't Nikki say Helen was 'born evil'? to me personally, that is on the same offense level as saying someone looks like a murderer.. saying someone looks like a murderer, alright, it's not very nice and everything, but saying someone was 'born evil' is a really strong thing to say to someone imo.

We are actually born without sin and therefore cannot be born evil. Nikki just shows her nastiness and ignorance there.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Not offended at all I was just pointing out that the implication of a Satan is that someone is pure evil,I consider it disrespectful to term anyone in that way.
I have no belief in a Devil now myself.

I said a long while ago on here I think, I lost that view for me, when I thought about it and could not get a rational conclusion.
As to why a Devil/Satan who was fighting endlessly against a God,making people do as much wrong as they could,would then when they die, punish them in hell for doing his bidding.
That made no sense to me personally at all,surely in that scenario someone doing great wrong would be welcomed and protected by a Devil/Satan.

However I would still respect the belief and thoughts others had on the matter and would not dismiss their position as to it.
No offence at all,I love debating with those agreeing with me and with those not.
You make strong and valid points all the time.

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

We are actually born without sin and therefore cannot be born evil. Nikki just shows her nastiness and ignorance there.

Aren't people supposed to be born with original sin according to the Bible?

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Aren't people supposed to be born with original sin according to the Bible?

Perhaps, but new born babies can hardly be evil can they? A sin can be forgiven, a must if you're a true Christian. The original sin refers to Adam and Eve and Applegate.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

Perhaps, but new born babies can hardly be evil can they. A sin can be forgiven, a must if you're a true Christian. The original sin refers to Adam and Eve and Applegate.

Applegate

[bots]

Helens comment to Brian was reflecting her view that he looked scary, Ais and Nikki's comments were premeditated acts of hate. No contest

[smudgie]

No contest.
spawn of Satan is a throwaway insult.
What Helen said to Brian was very personal and defamatory, especially when she had also insinuated he would attack her if the cameras weren't there.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by smudgie

No contest.
spawn of Satan is a throwaway insult.
What Helen said to Brian was very personal and defamatory, especially when she had also insinuated he would attack her if the cameras weren't there.

I don't agree smudgie,Ashleine was calling her that on BBBOTs,so not a throw away line in my book,it was premeditated to degrade,Helen was angry and hers was just that an angry outburst,we've all done that and she regretted it after,she was silly but not intentionally hurtful.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I don't agree smudgie,Ashleine was calling her that on BBBOTs,so not a throw away line in my book,it was premeditated to degrade,Helen was angry and hers was just that an angry outburst,we've all done that and she regretted it after,she was silly but not intentionally hurtful.

We will just have to agree to disagree Kaz.
I don't thnk being called the spawn of Satan is anythng more than an insult
If it was directed at somebody deeply religious then I may have felt differently.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by smudgie

We will just have to agree to disagree Kaz.
I don't thnk being called the spawn of Satan is anythng more than an insult
If it was directed at somebody deeply religious then I may have felt differently.

[Angelika]

Originally Posted by Griffin5779

I'm just asking ... to me..one seems a bit more offensive

Which one is most offensive to you bearing in mind one renders you an outcast member of our society, and gives you substantial time in prison as punishment and renders, in most cases, the rest of your life pure hell. The other option has no real life consequences except the original insult.

[Creggle]

Brian's face was impressive though, she'd not even said much at that point and he looked like he was fixated on doing something regrettable.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Creggle

Brian's face was impressive though, she'd not even said much at that point and he looked like he was fixated on doing something regrettable.

Someone said this on here the other night and like them,I too thought even before Helen came out with her comments that, 'what would he love to do if there was only him and her there with no one watching'.
He was really smouldering and looked very intimidating.