[Marsh.]

The "women always out first curse" has never applied to CBB anyway.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jarvio

As I said - not many, and not enough.

Why not enough? What actual difference does it make?

As long as the first housemate out is either a bore or a housemate I don't like, I don't care whether they're male or female.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

As long as the first housemate out is either a bore or a housemate I don't like, I don't care whether they're male or female.

tbh

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Why not enough? What actual difference does it make?

As long as the first housemate out is either a bore or a housemate I don't like, I don't care whether they're male or female.

^^
It's whoever is entertaining, it sounds like people would want a big male personality out instead of a boring woman, just so a woman isn't out first, just get rid of the bores (It's VTS so it's likely the big characters will go far anyway)

[Jarvio]

Originally Posted by Lilbro

^^
It's whoever is entertaining, it sounds like people would want a big male personality out instead of a boring woman, just so a woman isn't out first, just get rid of the bores (It's VTS so it's likely the big characters will go far anyway)

So you're telling me that 4 male first evictees out of FIFTEEN has nothing to do with gender?
I'm sorry, but gender does have something to do with it. Males are ALWAYS at an advantage. It has little to do with the "character".

If it has nothing to do with gender, then how the hell has a woman gone first EVERY time on civilian BB? For over 15 ****ing years?

It's sexist, but people on here are too afraid to admit it.

[Liam-]

It's not even on-season yet

[Shaun]

gotta love the "he'll be dull!!" posts before the series has even started

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Jarvio

So you're telling me that 4 male first evictees out of FIFTEEN has nothing to do with gender?
I'm sorry, but gender does have something to do with it. Males are ALWAYS at an advantage. It has little to do with the "character".

If it has nothing to do with gender, then how the hell has a woman gone first EVERY time on civilian BB? For over 15 ****ing years?

It's sexist, but people on here are too afraid to admit it.

The case for the 'curse' is that women are either the only people up for eviction or that they're too controversial and outspeak the boring males (just an observation, but a lot of the females are bigger characters than the males, who tend to be on the boring side)

For the past two years, it's only ever been women up for the first eviction (also BB1, BB2, and BB8), so it was pretty much default that a woman would be evicted first
As I said previously, the only other reason I can think of is the fact that they're too big of characters, which people really don't like (it'd be interesting to see the voting percentages for Dexter, Gina, and Sallie, considering they were all big characters that clashed in that first week)

If we went back to VTS in the Civillian series, then maybe we'd see a boring male go over a big female character. Women like Sallie and Adjoa (I don't understand what she did that warranted boos, besides talking about 'pussy') are far more remembered than the rest of their housemates, meanwhile the men are easily forgot about (and the men that actually do something are evicted asap, e.g. Marc)

I don't understand a lot of the public's choices (Helen winning, for example), but I doubt that the public decide to pick up the phone because someone's a woman.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Jarvio

So you're telling me that 4 male first evictees out of FIFTEEN has nothing to do with gender?
I'm sorry, but gender does have something to do with it. Males are ALWAYS at an advantage. It has little to do with the "character".

If it has nothing to do with gender, then how the hell has a woman gone first EVERY time on civilian BB? For over 15 ****ing years?

It's sexist, but people on here are too afraid to admit it.

And actively wanting a male out first (before the series has even started) solely on the basis that he's a male isn't?

[Jarvio]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

And actively wanting a male out first (before the series has even started) solely on the basis that he's a male isn't?

Yes, but for 1 I admit it, and for 2, I'm only being sexist as a result of sexism in the first place. It's called countering.

[LaLaLand]

Not here 4 Davro hate, man's a legend.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

But yes the women are always more entertaining yet they go out very early

That's why though because they provoke more of a reaction, that's a good thing

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

gotta love the "he'll be dull!!" posts before the series has even started

I'm good at predicting. They don't call me "Ashley, That Girl Who Is Good At Predicting" for nothing

[Calderyon]

Can we have a bad housemate out first, regardless of it´s a male or a female?

[Jarvio]

There have been many male HMs than have been "bigger characters" than many female HMs (and vice-versa). There have also been many male HMs that have been "bigger bores" than many female HMs (and vice-versa). My point is, there is no correlation between gender and HM quality.

Yet, somehow, a woman has gone first nearly every time. In over 15 years. Yes, I stick by what I said - it's sexist.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jarvio

So you're telling me that 4 male first evictees out of FIFTEEN has nothing to do with gender?
I'm sorry, but gender does have something to do with it. Males are ALWAYS at an advantage. It has little to do with the "character".

If it has nothing to do with gender, then how the hell has a woman gone first EVERY time on civilian BB? For over 15 ****ing years?

It's sexist, but people on here are too afraid to admit it.

Looking at the list of our civilian first evictees since 2000, 90% of them were the worst in the house so it's not surprising AT ALL.

[Daniel-X]

As much as I usually prefer females this thread I can't help but feel is really ridiculous and sexist. Get a bore out first or a bad HM not just someone because they're guilty of having a penis and not a vagina

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jarvio

Sick of it

Even if the men are more interesting and have more potential as HMs than all the women?

[Jarvio]

Originally Posted by Daniel-X

As much as I usually prefer females this thread I can't help but feel is really ridiculous and sexist. Get a bore out first or a bad HM not just someone because they're guilty of having a penis and not a vagina

Well I wouldn't have to be "Sexist" if the voting public weren't on a whole sexist for 15 years. Plus, many women are voted off just for having a vagina.

If the first evictees were more balanced between men and women then I wouldn't have made this thread. But because the vast majority are women, I am not convinced that it is anything but sexism.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Daniel-X

As much as I usually prefer females this thread I can't help but feel is really ridiculous and sexist. Get a bore out first or a bad HM not just someone because they're guilty of having a penis and not a vagina

Completely agree apart from preferring females, I like both sexes

[Jarvio]

C'mon people, it hasn't happened in over 15 years on civilian series. I have a case here.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Daniel-X

As much as I usually prefer females this thread I can't help but feel is really ridiculous and sexist. Get a bore out first or a bad HM not just someone because they're guilty of having a penis and not a vagina

Originally Posted by Jarvio

C'mon people, it hasn't happened in over 15 years on civilian series. I have a case here.

You might have if we were heading for a civilian series...

[Denver]

Here for a all male final

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jarvio

Yes, but for 1 I admit it, and for 2, I'm only being sexist as a result of sexism in the first place. It's called countering.

It's called hypocritical.

[Jarvio]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's called hypocritical.

Not really, not when it's happened so few times in 15 years.