[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's not disturbing at all. It's well known now that France has got its act together since the difficult times you refer to there and that their economy has improved significantly in the last year.

Judge our country against most indicators of a solid economy and across the board we're in ok shape: employment is up, growth continues even if it slowed in the last quarter, the pound is strong, inflation is not a concern, business investment is increasing, and earnings and household spending have been slowly picking up as well. I'm hardly claiming the Tories have performed miracles but overall it's not bad. Barring another global shock - which is of course possible - we are very unlikely to be in serious trouble anytime soon. Sorry if that makes me just another ignorant member of Joe Public but it is possible that other people have also read widely and come to different conclusions to you.

Brilliantly put MTVN.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's not disturbing at all. It's well known now that France has got its act together since the difficult times you refer to there and that their economy has improved significantly in the last year.

Judge our country against most indicators of a solid economy and across the board we're in ok shape: employment is up, growth continues even if it slowed in the last quarter, the pound is strong, inflation is not a concern, business investment is increasing, and earnings and household spending have been slowly picking up as well. I'm hardly claiming the Tories have performed miracles but overall it's not bad. Barring another global shock - which is of course possible - we are very unlikely to be in serious trouble anytime soon. Sorry if that makes me just another ignorant member of Joe Public but it is possible that other people have also read widely and come to different conclusions to you.

What is the deficit?....

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's not disturbing at all. It's well known now that France has got its act together since the difficult times you refer to there and that their economy has improved significantly in the last year.

Judge our country against most indicators of a solid economy and across the board we're in ok shape: employment is up, growth continues even if it slowed in the last quarter, the pound is strong, inflation is not a concern, business investment is increasing, and earnings and household spending have been slowly picking up as well. I'm hardly claiming the Tories have performed miracles but overall it's not bad. Barring another global shock - which is of course possible - we are very unlikely to be in serious trouble anytime soon. Sorry if that makes me just another ignorant member of Joe Public but it is possible that other people have also read widely and come to different conclusions to you.

Yes France is up now but we are in the same if not worse position since that article was written.

Down in the last quarter? what does that tell us? This re-pull on austerity is once again causing a downward trend and the longer it goes on, the worse it gets.

I don't believe the Tories will continue doing what they are doing because they know the long term damage it will cause, but they also use this stance on austerity as one of their big advertising slogans so just like they didn't tell us back in 2012-13 they will keep it under their belt again.

Edited to say, We are being played with. The government are relying on our ignorance.

[the truth]

hes not as bad as blair and brown but he had the ability perhaps an certainly the opportunity to make things a lot better....but hes really playing a bad hand lately........tax credits disaster....disability bashing disaster...Europe hes all over the place but hes really a euro sheep and wants us to stay in , but hes failing to fight for our rights
his one size all benefit is a disaster, his housing benefit payments direct to tenants is a disaster...then again welsh labour are even worse....theyre demanding 3 different landlord licenses...theyre cutting the nhs budget, covering up the failures..theyve even taken over the Cardiff airport with dreadful results? wales is basically a communist failure now.....the welsh gdp per head is now the lowest in Europe
neither tories or welsh labour have don't anything to help the industries or agriculture...were enslaved to massive cororations and the Chinese

both parties are a failure for the sick, the disabled, the elderly and the lowly paid

[bots]

David Cameron is a figurehead for the tory party, and more than that, he will only be pm for about another year or so, so, no he won't. As a tory supporter, i don't like Cameron, but lets be quite frank, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown were much more sinister with respect to the economy, personal liberties and many more aspects of our daily lives. Blair also led the way on the corruption that is now prevalent amongst our mp's.

What the tories have done since coming to power has been tame compared to the previous labour government.

[waterhog]

he will not ruin this country but create a bigger divide between the rich and the poor which in turn makes a angry society which is in no way in the best interest of the country.

the rich will get richer but that happened under labor as well.

[lostalex]

Considering the history of Britain, i seriously doubt he is strong, powerful or clever enough to "ruin" the UK. The Uk has made some seriously big blunders, committed atrocities on a giant scale, and suffered HUGE setbacks in the past. Cameron is small potatoes considering the scale of problems Britain has faced in the past. i am confident, that the UK (as well as the US and most of western Europe) has faced much more trying times in the past, and he could'nt "ruin" the UK even if he was actually trying to. That is the power of democracy.

Did George Bush "ruin" the US? no, we are still the strongest nation in the world and getting stronger everyday. If W Bush couldn't "ruin" the US, the worst president in modern American history, then Cameron doesn't even have a chance of "ruining" the UK.

now Corbyn??? that's a different question. there is something about him that seems more sinister.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Considering the history of Britain, i seriously doubt he is strong, powerful or clever enough to "ruin" the UK. The Uk has made some seriously big blunders, committed atrocities on a giant scale, and suffered HUGE setbacks in the past. Cameron is small potatoes considering the scale of problems Britain has faced in the past. i am confident, that the UK (as well as the US and most of western Europe) has faced much more trying times in the past, and he could'nt "ruin" the UK even if he was actually trying to. That is the power of democracy.

Did George Bush "ruin" the US? no, we are still the strongest nation in the world and getting stronger everyday. If W Bush couldn't "ruin" the US, the worst president in modern American history, then Cameron doesn't even have a chance of "ruining" the UK.

now Corbyn??? that's a different question. there is something about him that seems more sinister.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Considering the history of Britain, i seriously doubt he is strong, powerful or clever enough to "ruin" the UK. The Uk has made some seriously big blunders, committed atrocities on a giant scale, and suffered HUGE setbacks in the past. Cameron is small potatoes considering the scale of problems Britain has faced in the past. i am confident, that the UK (as well as the US and most of western Europe) has faced much more trying times in the past, and he could'nt "ruin" the UK even if he was actually trying to. That is the power of democracy.

Did George Bush "ruin" the US? no, we are still the strongest nation in the world and getting stronger everyday. If W Bush couldn't "ruin" the US, the worst president in modern American history, then Cameron doesn't even have a chance of "ruining" the UK.

now Corbyn??? that's a different question. there is something about him that seems more sinister.

Lostalex, I do read your posts and the vast majority of the time I agree with them too.
However the USA,great Nation that it is, is very different from the UK.
Also, I don't recall hearing about any States of the USA actually wanting to break away and hold a referendum to do so from the USA.

The UK is made up of only 4 Nations,England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland,to lose a quarter of those Nations would be a disaster for the UK,yet it nearly came about, under this Prime Minister we have and this Govt.
The issue has not gone away either, his full promise to Scotland is still to be implemented to their satisfaction.
His messing about with the EU issue could well bring all back to the forefront as to Scottish independence if as a result of his dithering, the UK votes to leave the EU.
Were it to happen that then Scotland left, then there is not in reality a United Kingdom in place anymore.

As for Corbyn being sinister, well I would dispute that myself,I find far more sinister what this man as PM now is doing to the most vulnerable in the UK, than anything Corbyn may stand for to be honest.

[DemolitionRed]

Wow, this threads really taken off.
Thanks for all the interesting responses. I'll join in once my working days over.

[kirklancaster]

For the sake of brevity - just TWO words; 'VIABLE' and 'ALTERNATIVE'.

[Jamie89]

As much as I'm interested in politics, I do get a bit lost with it sometimes, when it comes to a close analysis of one individual person and their policies for example. So I can't really get into the whole 'what has and hasn't he done for us' discussion. But from what I do know about him, I know that I don't like or respect him. I don't however think that he has the capability of ruining the country. Even though he's the leader, there's a whole government in place with lots of different people sharing different responsibilities. I know there's the whole 'captain going down with the ship' thing, but I think that if the country was to go to ruin (which I don't think it will anyway tbh) there would be many more people than just Cameron to blame.

[Kizzy]

Corbyn is sinister... is the fact that our current govt is being investigated by the UN for human rights violations not smack as sinister?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Corbyn is sinister... is the fact that our current govt is being investigated by the UN for human rights violations not smack as sinister?

Blair and the labour party were investigated for the same every other week.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Blair and the labour party were investigated for the same every other week.

Then this lot should have learned the lesson from them then.Clearly they have ignored same.

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Then this lot should have learned the lesson from them then.Clearly they have ignored same.

its not the point. We don't subscribe to many edicts laid out by the UN or any other authority, so saying such and such an organisations investigating is entirely irrelevant. Its a simple fact that many of these organisations are on a planet of their own, and few if any subscribe to them.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Blair and the labour party were investigated for the same every other week.

Do you have any support for that claim?

[Kazanne]

The country was on the road to ruin way before Cameron was elected, I like him,he doesn't get everything right but I do think he is trying to get the country back on track,afterall what would he gain by doing things just to piss people off,he will never please everyone,but who can? I certainly wouldn't want his job,when every ill that befalls the country is blamed on him,so sorry guys,I voted for him and don't regret it,

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

The country was on the road to ruin way before Cameron was elected, I like him,he doesn't get everything right but I do think he is trying to get the country back on track,afterall what would he gain by doing things just to piss people off,he will never please everyone,but who can? I certainly wouldn't want his job,when every ill that befalls the country is blamed on him,so sorry guys,I voted for him and don't regret it,

I have to agree Kaz.
If there was another election tomorrow then I would vote the same way again.
More so now that the clowns are in charge of the opposition.

[joeysteele]

I didn't vote for him, would never vote for him and will never in my whole life regret not doing so just for the rotten heartless things I have witnessed personally as to all he has done to those who are sick disabled and most vulnerable.

Also 'if' his referendum does result in an exit vote from the EU and then the Scots demand a new independence vote and then split, he will have for sure 'ruined' the United Kingdom because after that there will be no United Kingdom, just fragments he leaves of it.

[Livia]

People on the right will say no and quote examples, people on the left will say yes, and quote examples.

[DemolitionRed]

Anyone who believes we need a vote of no confidence should sign this https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/104471

[Kizzy]

Where are the examples that he is doing anything of merit for the country?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Where are the examples that he is doing anything of merit for the country?

It depends Kizzy on what some see as merit depending on who or what they care about.

People who are sick and poor are getting hammered by him and his govt so any success he is having is bought in a good part off the backs of the most vulnerable.
That is seen unbelievably as right and as success by some,(I honestly get more disillusioned by the UK day by day).
Well not so by me and it never will be by me, those people matter to me and those people literally got thrown into the lions den with not a scrap of hope at all in May by the 36.8% of voters who most of them likely couldn't care a toss about the vulnerable.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It depends Kizzy on what some see as merit depending on who or what they care about.

People who are sick and poor are getting hammered by him and his govt so any success he is having is bought in a good part off the backs of the most vulnerable.
That is seen unbelievably as right and as success by some,(I honestly get more disillusioned by the UK day by day).
Well not so by me and it never will be by me, those people matter to me and those people literally got thrown into the lions den with not a scrap of hope at all in May by the 36.8% of voters who most of them likely couldn't care a toss about them..

I fail to see one triumph Joey, the selling off of infrastructure and property, the allowances for foreign investment in nuclear capabilities in this country rather than their own.
The removal of civil rights, public services, medical, social, civic, legal, transport, the restrictions of human rights, protest, unions, and the possibility that communications can and will be compromised.
Those 36.8% will rue the day like the rest of us.