[Niamh.]

Closed for cleaning, can you please try to stick to the topic and not eachother. I sound like a broken record in here

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Closed for cleaning, can you please try to stick to the topic and not eachother. I sound like a broken record in here

Not a Broken Record
Thank you for Cleaning the wrong posts

We are Lucky to have you
Fine Lady

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by arista

Not a Broken Record
Thank you for Cleaning the wrong posts

We are Lucky to have you
Fine Lady

N'awww Arista you big Charmer you

[arista]

Encrypted Apps helping Isis Go Dark

Have been Found Out
Ref : CBS Live News , FoxNewsHD

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Encrypted Apps helping Isis Go Dark

Have been Found Out
Ref : CBS Live News , FoxNewsHD

Why tell them they have been found

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Why tell them they have been found

Yes as they will change they system again


in the last 2 weeks in England
MI5 and Armed Police
stopped a Terrorist attack,

Ref Ch5HD News that was on.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Win... What are you talking about, I posted there are/were strategies to help counter terrorism, that's good isn't it?
Your post was the negative one it made it appear we are all sitting ducks!
Post or don't it's of no consequence to me I won't pander to your ego, I'm having my say and if you don't like it that's your issue.

we ARE sitting ducks, his post was 100% spot on..it wasn't remotely negative, it was simply the truth. Its do gooders who have tried to pervrt the truth in this country for years that have made us as vulnerable as we now are. the only thing that has stopped us suffering a paris disaster is the English channel...even that is endangered by the chunnel, which should be closed until further notice

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

we ARE sitting ducks, his post was 100% spot on..it wasn't remotely negative, it was simply the truth. Its do gooders who have tried to pervrt the truth in this country for years that have made us as vulnerable as we now are. the only thing that has stopped us suffering a paris disaster is the English channel...even that is endangered by the chunnel, which should be closed until further notice

We have always been sitting ducks. Remember the IRA's 25 year bombing campaign? we suffered nearly 500 attacks.

The English channel didn't stop the 2005 London bombings by Islamic terrorists. 52 civilians were killed and over 700 injured. Three of those terrorists came from Leeds; one was a family man and a school assistant, the other lived with his mum and worked in the local chip shop and the other had just finished school. The other was from Aylesbury...all were born here.

Lee Rigby's attackers were born and bred in Lambeth.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

The whole 'shutting down' thing does seem to be a common occurrence. I've lost count of the amount of times someone has told me that I'm too young to understand a topic, or I've been called too idealistic. The worst is when people respond with a single emoji (usually or ) in response to my posts without even properly responding, it's really rude tbh.

If someone calls you 'idealistic', take it as a compliment And if they comment on your age then it's only coz they're jealous of your youth haha!

[arista]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I have reposted Arista - read it.

Thank You

[bots]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

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And here we have it in a nutshell - well, 3 or 4 posts really - just what is wrong with serious Debates: an initial response post which misinterprets a post, a secondary response post which supports the initial misinterpretation and further misrepresents what was actually stated, then other posts supporting the initial and secondary erroneous response posts.

You dive in here to defend your friend - clearly without reading my post - just as she did not read it, and I will respond to your full post in another post later.

Bitontheslide dives in to "comment on the post directly" when he either clearly has not read my post either, or has done so without understanding it - because he is not in fact 'commentig directly on what is stated in the post but rather on what he erroneously assumes is stated in the post - as I will come to shortly.

Meanwhile, Girth applauds Bitontheslide's erroneous post and MTVN comments on it with "Good Post".

"Good Post" it may be, and worthy of applause it may be - but as a direct comment on MY post, it is irrelevant, erroneous, and misplaced:

"I will comment on this post directly...."

No, you are not commenting on my post directly at all - you are in fact being presumptious, as we shall see:

"We are fortunate enough to live in a democracy where we can live relatively free lives. The terrorists aim to instil fear in our population and force us to remove the freedoms that we so enjoy.

Closing borders makes us an insular state, Not a free one. It encourages an us and them society where those considered different from the norm will be persecuted. Its not the way to proceed if we want to hold on to our core values."


All excellent stuff - but WHERE in my post do I advocate "Closing Borders" and where in my post do I state anything which is contradictory to the other points you make which would justify you claiming that such points were a 'direct comment' on my post?

Where? I ask you politely to re-read my post carefully, then tell me just where? Cut and paste any sections of my post which you feel justifies your post as 'Direct Comment' on my post.

I posted what was to be the First part of a three part post and this first part was my take on the status quo regarding terrorism by ISIS killers in Western Countries. It was my considered opinion on the 'Hows', the 'Whys' and 'wherefores' laid out as statements.

I did not even PROPOSE the 'Closing of Borders', in fact I did NOT propose anything. I STATED the 5 steps which - in my opinion - were essential for defeating these terrorists scum.

They are replicated below. Please examine them:

Excerpt from my original post;

"The lesson is clear then:

JIHADIST + WEAPONS + COMMUNICATION = ATROCITIES

So we must STOP these seperate elements from combining IF we want to defeat these bastards BEFORE they can perpetrate these cowardly atrocities, because - just as in the Godfather 2 example - once they are combined, the death and destruction they can wreak before they are put down becomes unthinkable.

How do we achieve this? We:

a) Stop these terrorists entering in the first place.
b) Stop these weapons entering in the first place.
c) Root out these 'Safe Houses'
d) Stop the means by which these immigrant terrorists communicate with each other and with their ISIS bosses.
e) Root out these fifth columnists working in our ports and airports, on our Town Councils, and in our Civil Service.

As can CLEARLY be seen; the ONLY people who are realistically able to achieve ALL Five of the above prerequisites, are our SECURITY and INTELLIGENCE SERVICES.

Unfortunately, those same services are handicapped by.....

to be continued."

Now, WHERE do I state that borders must be closed? How does; "Stop these terrorists entering in the first place" mean stopping all immigration or closing borders?

It does not. If I had MEANT to advocate that all immigration must be stopped and our borders closed, I would have STATED as much. So why put words in my mouth? It is hardly fair or conducive to proper debate, but that does not stop certain members on here from perpetuating such misrepresentations, nor stop them from twisting my responses to such strawman tactics by clever use of the same tired old deflectors:

"You don't want people to have a different point of view from you don't post on a debate forum" and offensive comments concerning my ego - none of which actually relate to what I was saying in my response post, and so here the unfair misinrepresentation and duplicity is compounded.

For the record, my continuation post dealt with how - in my opinion - our Security and Intelligence Services were handicapped by our own people's dissent to every request for the extra measures they so desperately need to combat the increasing risks of terrorist attacks on these shores.

They ask for extra powers, and immediately a certain body are up in arms about some Orwellian '1984' nightmare with 'The State' just using terrorism as an excuse to snoop on 'ordinary citizens' with a 'further imposition on our personal liberties' etc etc yawn.

Anyway, Bitontheslide, I do not fault anything which you have to say in your response post - other than the fact that it is most certainly NOT a 'direct comment' on my post as you claim.

Kirk, your point 1 stated stop the terrorists coming here. How do you propose doing that without closing borders?

I also stated categorically that we shouldn't change as a people who we are and react to the terrorists because to do so means they have won. Your post advocated a number of proposals all of which would have affected our personal liberties. So, whether you agree with it or not, I responded to your initial post. It is a free debate.

Kaz and Rubymoo, I know how you feel, what our children will face is a big worry, but I remember the same sentiments being expressed 50 years ago and I think there will always be deeply troubling events in the world, just the names and locations change around.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

new labourites jump to false indignation , false offense and jump to politically correctness conclusions and love to grand stand...this is one of the main reasons we are in hell right now

What has my political leaning got to do with any of this? point out a leftist comment I've made on this thread. This thread was written to talk about 'what to do' and 'how to stop' (at least I think it was) so please don't try and tar me with red paint because I have the forwardness to speak my mind.