[Withano]

You should compare the "victims" reactions rather than the perpetrators actions. If you did, you would realise that it is not double standards at all. Making somebody laugh with sexual actions is not anywhere close to the same as making somebody uncomfortable with them.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

You should compare the "victims" reactions rather than the perpetrators actions. If you did, you would realise that it is not double standards at all. Making somebody laugh with sexual actions is not anywhere close to the same as making somebody uncomfortable with them.

How would public perceptions have been, other hijinks aside, if Ken Morley had went into the diary room after one of the young guys left and said he was going to be there for the guys girl interest with his legs open?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

How would public perceptions have been, other hijinks aside, if Ken Morley had went into the diary room after one of the young guys left and said he was going to be there for the guys girl interest with his legs open?

Completely different which is the point you missed. Its different using sex and appearing fun and using it and appearing threatening.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Completely different which is the point you missed. Its different using sex and appearing fun and using it and appearing threatening.

It was said in the diary room why would it have been more threatening and less in fun if it was Ken instead of Tiffany who offered comfort by opening their legs?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

It was said in the diary room why would it have been more threatening and less in fun if it was Ken instead of Tiffany who offered comfort by opening their legs?

Because Tiff was saying it about people who were physically stronger than her whilst not having a tool that could penetrate the weaker person. There was no way that what Tiff said could have had sinister undertones unless, like you, you add a buttload of 'what if' hypothetical situations which would completely change the context of the thing that happened.

What happened was - nothing - and twisting the context until you find a way to be offended is senseless.

[joeysteele]

Not sexist but really sad and very desperate.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by White_L10N

If Tiff was a man her sexual behaviour would be seen as disgusting. Telling Jeremy she wants to fck him... in front of everyone. Trying to kiss him. Saying she will be there for Scotty T now that Megan has gone. In a sexual way. Talking about Darren even though he has a wife. Thinking back to Winston checking out some of the women... that was nothing in comparison and he was slated for it! There is a clear double standard here. The fact it doesn't even appear to be an issue or talked about is incredible.

If Tiffany was a man behaving like that with 2 younger girls, touching them between the legs in the shower, giving them some tongue, I think most of her supporters would be baying for her to be removed from the house. Remember how everyone got because Jeremy touched Chloe's robe? Tiffany had the shower door open and her hands all over Scotty's penis. No eyelids batted?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

If Tiffany was a man behaving like that with 2 younger girls, touching them between the legs in the shower, giving them some tongue, I think most of her supporters would be baying for her to be removed from the house. Remember how everyone got because Jeremy touched Chloe's robe? Tiffany had the shower door open and her hands all over Scotty's penis. No eyelids batted?

Tbf Scotty was the one flashing her in the garden and sticking his head in her boobs, it wasn't all one sided, that's the difference. Also people saying she's a much older woman and they're young guys? There isn't that much of an age gap between her and Scotty, he's 27 and she's 34

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Tbf Scotty was the one flashing her in the garden and sticking his head in her boobs, it wasn't all one sided, that's the difference. Also people saying she's a much older woman and they're young guys? There isn't that much of an age gap between her and Scotty, he's 27 and she's 34

He wasn't flashing her, he was flashing Jeremy, she ASKED him to show her it, big difference

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

He wasn't flashing her, he was flashing Jeremy, she ASKED him to show her it, big difference

And he had no issue in doing so, so what's the problem?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

And he had no issue in doing so, so what's the problem?

Double standards,if she was a pretty white,English girl this place would be in uproar

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by jaxie

If Tiffany was a man behaving like that with 2 younger girls, touching them between the legs in the shower, giving them some tongue, I think most of her supporters would be baying for her to be removed from the house. Remember how everyone got because Jeremy touched Chloe's robe? Tiffany had the shower door open and her hands all over Scotty's penis. No eyelids batted?

Jeremy opened her robe to reveal her boob.

Had Jeremy and Chloe been kissing beforehand?

I can't see how you can compare the two situations tbh.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Jeremy opened her robe to reveal her boob.

Had Jeremy and Chloe been kissing beforehand?

I can't see how you can compare the two situations tbh.

Well in both situations they were in the bathroom and privacy was invaded. Idk, does a bit of a snog in truth or dare send a neon invite to open the shower and touch someone's doo dah?
If it does you are opening a whole new world to t or d for me!

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Well in both situations they were in the bathroom and privacy was invaded. Idk, does a bit of a snog in truth or dare send a neon invite to open the shower and touch someone's doo dah?
If it does you are opening a whole new world to t or d for me!

2 people acting up in a sexual way.

1 person helping another person who is being sick. That person is then made completely uncomfortable when the person she is helping moves her robe to reveal her boob.

Yeah, they're the same.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by MrWong

2 people acting up in a sexual way.

1 person helping another person who is being sick. That person is then made completely uncomfortable when the person she is helping moves her robe to reveal her boob.

Yeah, they're the same.

I'm sorry but kissing and 'acting up' isn't an open invitation to open a shower later and touch your sexual organs.

The only real difference is Scotty didn't say no.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

If Tiffany was a man behaving like that with 2 younger girls, touching them between the legs in the shower, giving them some tongue, I think most of her supporters would be baying for her to be removed from the house. Remember how everyone got because Jeremy touched Chloe's robe? Tiffany had the shower door open and her hands all over Scotty's penis. No eyelids batted?

Totally agree, last night antics (Making Darren feel uncomfortable,touching Scotts old man, pulling his pants down) were ALL removable offences

[Trasadkel1]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Totally agree, last night antics (Making Darren feel uncomfortable,touching Scotts old man, pulling his pants down) were ALL removable offences

Agree and if it had been a man doing the same thing I very much doubt if he would have still been in the house.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Trasadkel1

Agree and if it had been a man doing the same thing I very much doubt if he would have still been in the house.

People have been removed from the house for far less

[lostalex]

but she's not a man, she's a woman, and women get treated differently. in most ways they get treated worse than men, but in some cases they have some privelidges.

also if 2 girls made out with the same guy, they would both be called sluts, but no one is calling scotty and jeremy sluts for both kissing the same girl.

[Beso]

if i shared a house with someone who goes for a wank while a party is on the go i would be kicking them out, asap!

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by White_L10N

If Tiff was a man her sexual behaviour would be seen as disgusting. Telling Jeremy she wants to fck him... in front of everyone. Trying to kiss him. Saying she will be there for Scotty T now that Megan has gone. In a sexual way. Talking about Darren even though he has a wife. Thinking back to Winston checking out some of the women... that was nothing in comparison and he was slated for it! There is a clear double standard here. The fact it doesn't even appear to be an issue or talked about is incredible.

well said - its double standards.

[hot2go]

It def appears to be hypocrisy by some of the viewers, Jeremy and Steph are doing exactly the same thing....but I think it's great for some viewers.....I def applaud it...I think there should be more sex and naughty stuff.....it's a part of what BB is about ...and any of the young ones who go in there or any ones partner who goes in there must surely expect that these things can happen....my only discomfort with Tiffany isn't that she's chasing Scotty it's that she's chased 3 blokes one after the other...and even that doesn't bother be morally but it makes her looks bit silly and I thought she was a bit cooler than that

[Crimson Dynamo]

what age is she, 30 odd?

[Crimson Dynamo]

good god she is 34

[White_L10N]

Darren said “how much have you had to drink”. So clearly he seen this situation as something that is only warranted if you’re highly intoxicated! Men are more comfortable with their sexuality and can easily and effortlessly accept and move on from something like this. Which is my point. If the same were to happen to a woman. She would be in the diary room slating a man for being a perv.

You don’t tell a man who has a wife, on television, that you are interested in him. Why would you need to? Other than the hope that he will say he does too? This is the definition of seedy. Lacking moral fibre. From a societal perspective anyway. But because she’s a woman she gets away with her overt sexual nature. Men don’t anymore. They are expected to keep it to themselves. If you’re going to say men have to keep it to themselves then surely Tiff should be expected to as well. This is why it’s a double standard. I personally have no problem with Winston or Tiff being overtly sexual. Because you’re lying to yourself if you’re holding it in otherwise. What I have a problem with is the fact a woman’s body must be respected more so than a man’s.

Men are made to feel uncomfortable about their feelings towards woman. Then woman who like a guy complain he doesn’t have the balls to take it to that level. But he’s been wussyfied by the years and years of conditioning. All a woman needs to do is say .. “I appreciate you find me attractive. I would too if I were you. But I’m not interested”. Nobody said this to Winston. If he were to continue his behaviour after this fact then and only then does it become acceptable to claim he’s making you uncomfortable.