[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by arista

Not a problem Kirk
its not on any agenda


Contract 50 Out of the FECKING EU
must get started this year ending



India is ready to Trade Free from Tax
I thank them
That's the spirit



Feel The Force

Yes - you are correct Arista. Someone who is 100% committed to a Brexit deal which is THE most beneficial to the UK is what is most important, and that someone also has to be strong enough to implement FAIR policies which can heal The schism which exists in the UK now.

India is GREAT news, but only the tip of the iceberg, because MORE countries will follow - including an EU desperate to maintain her very beneficial, much needed, MULTI BILLIONS OF POUNDS surplus trade with the UK.

[bots]

this fox hunting ban is a complete red herring. There are so many ways around the ban, its laughable. Also, living in an area that used to have fox hunts regularly, and now seeing foxes everywhere, causing damage, and getting more and more of a nuisance, other methods of controlling numbers need to be used to keep the problem manageable.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

this fox hunting ban is a complete red herring. There are so many ways around the ban, its laughable. Also, living in an area that used to have fox hunts regularly, and now seeing foxes everywhere, causing damage, and getting more and more of a nuisance, other methods of controlling numbers need to be used to keep the problem manageable.

I agree.

[Kizzy]

Is there any free movement attached to the free trade?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Is there any free movement attached to the free trade?

India needs its workers there
to run VirginMedia helplines etc
Those are 10 year contracts in some cases

[joeysteele]

If there are ways around the fox hunting ban in place,then the law as to it needs to be tightened up further not repealing.
Also those getting ways around it facing much harsher penalties for doing so.

Also I still say article 50 and brexit should not be undertaken until a general election is held.

Nowhere in the referendum just held, is there a timetable for leaving the EU.
Article 50 can be triggered any time and I think it outrageous if it were done before another general election.
If the election is not going to be until 2020 as these 2 say, then no way should it be until then.
There is no mandate at all to trigger it as to time or even to what deals may have to be done.

All I can see coming from this arrogance and stubbornness of these 2 women as would be leaders as to that is a great deal more division being created across the UK.

A general election too could also test Scotland as to an independence referendum as to how well or not the SNP did in a new general election for Westminster.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

If there are ways around the fox hunting ban in place,then the law as to it needs to be tightened up further not repealing.
Also those getting ways around it facing much harsher penalties for doing so.

Also I still say article 50 and brexit should not be undertaken until a general election is held.

Nowhere in the referendum just held, is there a timetable for leaving the EU.
Article 50 can be triggered any time and I think it outrageous if it were done before another general election.
If the election is not going to be until 2020 as these 2 say, then no way should it be until then.
There is no mandate at all to trigger it as to time or even to what deals may have to be done.

All I can see coming from this arrogance and stubbornness of these 2 women as would be leaders as to that is a great deal more division being created across the UK.

A general election too could also test Scotland as to an independence referendum as to how well or not the SNP did in a new general election for Westminster.

What I find fascinating with the BIB Joey is that reports are saying that Scotland have got to get over 60% to pull out of the UK if they got a 2nd Referendum because it's a big change for the country so it has to have a big majority to win (and rightly so) yet when it's to do with pulling out of a huge trade union (the EU) apparently 48% can go and **** themselves.

[Kizzy]

Don't get me wrong I love foxes, but let's not get distracted from bigger issues such as human rights and workers directives... don't take your eye off the ball.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Don't get me wrong I love foxes, but let's not get distracted from bigger issues such as human rights and workers directives... don't take your eye off the ball.

Absolutely right Kizzy and great to see you back again.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Absolutely right Kizzy and great to see you back again.

Thanks Joey, back in tonight so off again ...fight the good fight!

[Munchkins]

As a Feminist i couldn't care less at the candidates both being women, when both are abhorrent women
Woman doesn't = Feminist. It's ridiculously seeing so many laud this as some massive victory for women

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Munchkins

As a Feminist i couldn't care less at the candidates both being women, when both are abhorrent women
Woman doesn't = Feminist. It's ridiculously seeing so many laud this as some massive victory for women

there should be no war of the sexes at all.. feminism should roll over and die. equal opportunities for all, equal laws for all, there is no war of the sexes its not a mans world nor a womans world, the world belongs to the uber rich and tghe only wars are between the top 1% elite and the rest. the sooner we actually understand this the quicker we will move forward and start to solve the real problems and the real evil in the world. world war 1 and 2, 90 million young poor working class men died fighting rich peoples wars. we must not allow the elite to divide and conquer us any more. working class men and women must come together and fight the power

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by the truth

there should be no war of the sexes at all.. feminism should roll over and die. equal opportunities for all, equal laws for all, there is no war of the sexes its not a mans world nor a womans world, the world belongs to the uber rich and tghe only wars are between the top 1% elite and the rest. the sooner we actually understand this the quicker we will move forward and start to solve the real problems and the real evil in the world. world war 1 and 2, 90 million young poor working class men died fighting rich peoples wars. we must not allow the elite to divide and conquer us any more. working class men and women must come together and fight the power

The first step towards that is to find evidence on how corrupt the Media is, get the Media on the people's side and you've got the Government on it's knees.

[Mystic Mock]

They both are the same party nowadays.

The Tories and Labour would do the same tactic as what the old Tories did to Margaret Thatcher, set her up as the villain, and then get rid of her for the "nice" gentleman.

Politics is still misogynistic, but it's just better at hiding it nowadays.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

They both are the same party nowadays.

The Tories and Labour would do the same tactic as what the old Tories did to Margaret Thatcher, set her up as the villain, and then get rid of her for the "nice" gentleman.

Politics is still misogynistic, but it's just better at hiding it nowadays.

I think there is more male hate misandrist, sexism against men now in the UK
We need to get rid of misandry and mysogyny , firstly by accepting that the war is not men v women , but very rich v poor

[Tom4784]

Boris would have won if he was eligible so it's not really a case of Tories caring about diversity, it's just because of the circumstances.

The Tories have looney tunes like Stephen Crabb in positions of power so let's not cheer them for their diversity just yet.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Boris would have won if he was eligible so it's not really a case of Tories caring about diversity, it's just because of the circumstances.

The Tories have looney tunes like Stephen Crabb in positions of power so let's not cheer them for their diversity just yet.

agreed and that odious hypocrite crabb has been cheating on his wife it appears today

[Livia]

Not many claims of anti-Semitism in the Tories though... unlike Labour, which is RIFE with it. The Tories don't have the monopoly of ****ing idiots.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Not many claims of anti-Semitism in the Tories though... unlike Labour, which is RIFE with it. The Tories don't have the monopoly of ****ing idiots.

The investigation and report from that says different,that is a serious accusation to level at a whole Party.
One would certainly hope you likely have concrete proof as to such careless and dangerous talk, if it is not just a likely prejudiced view against the Labour party and those who are in it.

Because I do not see that as the case at all and I am in the Labour party.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The investigation and report from that says different,that is a serious accusation to level at a whole Party.
One would certainly hope you likely have concrete proof as to such careless and dangerous talk, if it is not just a likely prejudiced view against the Labour party and those who are in it.

Because I do not see that as the case at all and I am in the Labour party.

Is there any higher than usual amounts of prejudice against the Jewish faith in the party?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Is there any higher than usual amounts of prejudice against the Jewish faith in the party?

I find very little Mock. so I would say in answer to you no.

There are, as there are everywhere, those who sympathise with the Palestinians more than they do Israel, and some who support the Palestinians and not Israel at all, but people have to make their minds up as to whether that is real anti-semitism or not.
I don't think it is personally, and it is a heavy accusation to make against a whole party and the people in it.

What anti-semitism ever needed to be raised on an all woman party 'leadership' topic thread is also beyond me.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Is there any higher than usual amounts of prejudice against the Jewish faith in the party?

Yes, there is. So much so that Corbyn himself has admitted that Jewish Labour donors haven't given any donations since he took over. Jews make up less than 0.5% of the population and yet gave one third of Labour's donations... but not any more. And the more denial there is in the party, the less backing they'll get from the Jewish community.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes, there is. So much so that Corbyn himself has admitted that Jewish Labour donors haven't given any donations since he took over. Jews make up less than 0.5% of the population and yet gave one third of Labour's donations... but not any more. And the more denial there is in the party, the less backing they'll get from the Jewish community.

I say you are wrong,all you do is get at the Labour Party and in fact all people on the left of politics, branding them all sorts of things.

You may be right Jewish donors have pulled back from donating to Labour, that is their prerogative to do so.
It does not however make the dangerous and nasty accusations you make right against a whole Party or the people in it.

The vast majority would fight and stand against any anti-semitism.
Why you have even chosen to derail this thread with anti-semitism accusations, when it is about female leadership of parties is beyond all understanding to me.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Livia

Not many claims of anti-Semitism in the Tories though... unlike Labour, which is RIFE with it. The Tories don't have the monopoly of ****ing idiots.

I'm not condoning that from Labour either.

Our War Veterans went after Hitler for a reason.

[joeysteele]

Anyway not contributing to any further derailing of this thread.

I have to point out it may be there is a female candidate to become Leader of the Labour party now, that is if she actually does it this time.

However it is doomed to failure in my view because who really wants Angela Eagle, is she honestly the best they could put up for a leadership contest.
It will happen one day but she for sure is not the one.