[Tinsel Toes]

One of the snipers is a woman !

Another officer has died

[Josy]

Well this isn't going to solve anything is it, even more lives lost needlessly.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Josy

Well this isn't going to solve anything is it, even more lives lost needlessly.

No..Every life matters

[Thotmas]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No..Every life matters

Yea every life matters so why did they give zero ****s when poorer people are unlawfully killed!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Yea every life matters so why did they give zero ****s when poorer people are unlawfully killed!

And if every life matters why do many shrug at the sight of upturned boats in the med?... The truth is every life does not matter, and the sooner everyone removes the blinkers and sees this the better.

[microscope]

Isn't it usually the case that when a police officer arrests or assaults or kills a black man or woman, they tend to play the race card straight away. They say "You killed him/her coz he/she was black". They say "You picked on him/her and arrested him/her coz he/she was black". They seem to interpret the situation the way that they see it through their rose-tinted spectacles, as if they can mind-read or something!!

Generally any police officer will arrest, assault or kill a man or a women who they believe is breaking the law and may be a danger to others, regardless of skin colour. The only racism is in the eye of the beholder or spectator who is black themselves and thinks every non-black police officer is racist.

The black man who went out with premeditated murder on his mind is nothing more than a murdering scumbag than needs a torturous type of capital punishment to make him suffer. I have no sympathy for him whatsoever or any other vigilante types who go after police officers who are out there risking their lives every day to save other people, just because they get it into their heads that their arresting actions are always racially motivated.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by microscope

Isn't it usually the case that when a police officer arrests or assaults or kills a black man or woman, they tend to play the race card straight away. They say "You killed him/her coz he/she was black". They say "You picked on him/her and arrested him/her coz he/she was black". They seem to interpret the situation the way that they see it through their rose-tinted spectacles, as if they can mind-read or something!!

Generally any police officer will arrest, assault or kill a man or a women who they believe is breaking the law and may be a danger to others, regardless of skin colour. The only racism is in the eye of the beholder or spectator who is black themselves and thinks every non-black police officer is racist.

The black man who went out with premeditated murder on his mind is nothing more than a murdering scumbag than needs a torturous type of capital punishment to make him suffer. I have no sympathy for him whatsoever or any other vigilante types who go after police officers who are out there risking their lives every day to save other people, just because they get it into their heads that their arresting actions are always racially motivated.

I'm not defending what happened to the Police Officers, but one of the black men that got shot was shot eight times, there was footage showing him running away from the Police Officer so he wasn't going to attack him.

Of course does it mean that these innocent Police Officers that weren't involved in the case should be shot dead? Of course not, but I can understand this BlackLivesMatter group's frustration at what's going on in their country.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by microscope

Isn't it usually the case that when a police officer arrests or assaults or kills a black man or woman, they tend to play the race card straight away. They say "You killed him/her coz he/she was black". They say "You picked on him/her and arrested him/her coz he/she was black". They seem to interpret the situation the way that they see it through their rose-tinted spectacles, as if they can mind-read or something!!

Generally any police officer will arrest, assault or kill a man or a women who they believe is breaking the law and may be a danger to others, regardless of skin colour. The only racism is in the eye of the beholder or spectator who is black themselves and thinks every non-black police officer is racist.

The black man who went out with premeditated murder on his mind is nothing more than a murdering scumbag than needs a torturous type of capital punishment to make him suffer. I have no sympathy for him whatsoever or any other vigilante types who go after police officers who are out there risking their lives every day to save other people, just because they get it into their heads that their arresting actions are always racially motivated.

..no, it's usually the case when OTT/unnecessary and inappropriate to the situation force is used and when loss of life results without any other alternatives being explored, which are all very definite duties and pledges of police officers...and oh, look it just happens to be a black person again which it's being applied to...

[Thotmas]

Originally Posted by Josy

Well this isn't going to solve anything is it, even more lives lost needlessly.

What is though? They loved Malcom X and MLK but only listen to certain parts of their speeches and ignored the other parts including brutality. If even they couldn't be heard what the heck else can be done?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

What is though? They loved Malcom X and MLK but only listen to certain parts of their speeches and ignored the other parts including brutality. If even they couldn't be heard what the heck else can be done?

I don't know what is, I don't have the answers. What I do know for a fact is that more lives being lost is NOT going to help or solve anything.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Josy

Well this isn't going to solve anything is it, even more lives lost needlessly.

But they Confirmed the Hidden Evil Sniper
was Killed by SWAT


One arrested was a Woman


Lock It Down
Get the Evil Sniper Gang
arrested or Shot DEAD


Obama wants that

[Christmas Dynasnow]

sorry Kirk but you are being judge and jury again, just adding to the hysteria

If you have legal evidence for " US police ARE executing - largely - unharmed and helpless victims"

Post it here

[Thotmas]

So people understand this new thing and the concept of #bluelivesmatter but somehow the concept of #blacklivesmatter is a foreign language and is counter attacked with alllivesmatter hm look at that. ��

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

sorry Kirk but you are being judge and jury again, just adding to the hysteria

If you have legal evidence for " US police ARE executing - largely - unharmed and helpless victims"

Post it here

There is far too much evidence LT for me to post to be honest.

'Legal Evidence' is NOT the 'be all and end all' LT, nor is it infallible - as the dozens of PROVEN innocent men still serving life sentences in the USA (and other countries) attests, as do those cases of belatedly freed and pardoned wrongly convicted 'murderers' such as ex-World Champion boxer, Ruben 'The Hurricane' Carter - himself a victim of the most appalling and blatant racial victimisation by a police officer.

No Judicial system - anywhere - is free from corruption, because such a system, like all systems, relies on the scrupulous fairness, impartiality and honesty of MAN, and that, I am afraid, is one rather big 'ASK'.

From my perspective, 'Empirical Evidence - that evidence collated by my senses - is evidence, and I personally trust my own logic and powers of judgement based upon the overwhelming and wholly convincing wealth of empirical evidence pertaining to this issue, than I do ANY Court or 'Official Report' anywhere in the world.

I think that it must be well known on here, that I am NOT some anti-Establishment, anti-police nutjob - far from it - because I lean to the Right and The Establishment, but not so much that my leaning distorts my view or my balance of judgement.

The EVIDENCE that the USA has a real, tangible, palpable INCREASING problem with psychotic, racist, POLICE OFFICERS venting their agendas without fear of RECRIMINATION is absolutely IRREFUTABLE - in my opinion.

I cede that the percentage of such bastards is low, but percentages by themselves are meaningless; 90% of 100 is 90, 10% of 4 billion is 400000000, but when it comes to the unnecessary taking of HUMAN life. ONE is too many.

I also cede that the vast MAJORITY of Police Officers are NOT racist and that we should ALL laud the highly dangerous and thankless job which they do in both SERVING and PROTECTING the public, but to DENY or REFUSE TO SEE that there is a problem with racially motivated unlawful killing of POC's by SOME serving police officers, for fear of tarnishing the reputation of those Police Forces as a whole, is wholly unacceptable.

These murderers could NOT flourish or even ACT unless the system which they are part of was not ALSO racially corrupt and tolerant of this practice to some degree - hence the blatant reluctance to hold any kind of 'OFFICIAL' inquiry following a lot of these 'incidents', AND the even more blatant 'Whitewashed' verdicts of 'No Case To Answer' in most cases when an inquiry is held.

The problem is NOT going to go away, and the more it is denied or ignored, the GREATER it will become.

Incidentally LT - I am making these points in a response to your question to me, but they are NOT meant intend to refer to you specifically.

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

There is far too much evidence LT for me to post to be honest.

'Legal Evidence' is NOT the 'be all and end all' LT, nor is it infallible - as the dozens of PROVEN innocent men still serving life sentences in the USA (and other countries) attests, as do those cases of belatedly freed and pardoned wrongly convicted 'murderers' such as ex-World Champion boxer, Ruben 'The Hurricane' Carter - himself a victim of the most appalling and blatant racial victimisation by a police officer.

No Judicial system - anywhere - is free from corruption, because such a system, like all systems, relies on the scrupulous fairness, impartiality and honesty of MAN, and that, I am afraid, is one rather big 'ASK'.

From my perspective, 'Empirical Evidence - that evidence collated by my senses - is evidence, and I personally trust my own logic and powers of judgement based upon the overwhelming and wholly convincing wealth of empirical evidence pertaining to this issue, than I do ANY Court or 'Official Report' anywhere in the world.

I think that it must be well known on here, that I am NOT some anti-Establishment, anti-police nutjob - far from it - because I lean to the Right and The Establishment, but not so much that my leaning distorts my view or my balance of judgement.

The EVIDENCE that the USA has a real, tangible, palpable INCREASING problem with psychotic, racist, POLICE OFFICERS venting their agendas without fear of RECRIMINATION is absolutely IRREFUTABLE - in my opinion.

I cede that the percentage of such bastards is low, but percentages by themselves are meaningless; 90% of 100 is 90, 10% of 4 billion is 400000000, but when it comes to the unnecessary taking of HUMAN life. ONE is too many.

I also cede that the vast MAJORITY of Police Officers are NOT racist and that we should ALL laud the highly dangerous and thankless job which they do in both SERVING and PROTECTING the public, but to DENY or REFUSE TO SEE that there is a problem with racially motivated unlawful killing of POC's by serving police officers, for fear of tarnishing the reputation of those Police Forces as a whole, is wholly unacceptable.

These murderers could NOT flourish or even ACT unless the system which they are part of was not ALSO racially corrupt and tolerant of this practice to some degree - hence the blatant reluctance to hold any kind of 'OFFICIAL' inquiry following a lot of these 'incidents', AND the even more blatant 'Whitewashed' verdicts of 'No Case To Answer' in most cases when an inquiry is held.

The problem is NOT going to go away, and the more it is denied or ignored, the GREATER it will become.

Incidentally LT - I am making these points in a response to your question to me, but they are NOT meant intend to refer to you specifically.

Well said, kirk. I also can't believe we are still having a discussion about whether or not A or B problem exists. Of course police brutality and abuse exists. It will always be something that needs to be kept an eye on and in check. A corrupt government and a corrupt police agency often go hand in hand.

One obstacle I get frustrated with is the way some of these agencies handle policy. To the extremely bureaucratic ones, policy is equal to efficiency. Therefore officers are expected to follow as much as they can to the letter, keeping everything neat and clear, black and white. The problem is, context and circumstances vary and sometimes things don't quite fit in the box the way they were "expected" to. The chain of command will very often have one way of handling things, which is usually micromanaging from up top from an office with no view of the field, and I'm beginning to think they purposefully choose to remain this blind so they don't have as much culpability when things go wrong.

So then the sergeant or direct supervisor does things differently than the mucky mucks up top thought they were destined to be done and in all that report writing, there's a lot of creative chatter back and forth in order to "justify" things that didn't exactly go along with policy...

Well... a lot of creative reports get written and eventually these officers start to become too good so good at it that that becomes the default way to explain situations that maybe should be handled differently or policies need to be changed. They've learned also that there are ways to explain certain things without falling on the wrong side of policy, so while up top those officials have no clue whatsoever the loop holes they've left opened and set up that eventually the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. When something does go wrong and there is a scandal they claim later on they didn't know about what was going on because even though it was in the reports, it obviously wasn't made clear enough. Therefore it isn't their responsibility so they pass it to someone else in the chain until eventually someone is stuck holding the bomb.

We had a major issue recently with an elected official, they claimed they had no responsibility because they were simply unaware... even though they were in charge of day to day operations, because they could hide behind the chain of command, they instead promised an investigation and that they would without a doubt find the people at fault and "make them pay".

It's frustrating to work within such organization as someone lower on the chain, and even more frustrating if you're the officer who wants to see things change for the better and to do things right. You have no idea who to talk to about improving or changing any policy or situation that is causing problems until you find that one guy who is willing to not only commit to the paperwork, but put his stamp on it to see it get done. When there is a lot of public scrutiny in the media and no good leadership in your org, then that one guy becomes even more difficult to find.

American culture too itself has major issues and I'm glad it's taking a beating, because let's be honest, a lot of problems begin there as well.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Maru

Well said, kirk. I also can't believe we are still having a discussion about whether or not A or B problem exists. Of course police brutality and abuse exists. It will always be something that needs to be kept an eye on and in check. A corrupt government and a corrupt police agency often go hand in hand.

One obstacle I get frustrated with is the way some of these agencies handle policy. To the extremely bureaucratic ones, policy is equal to efficiency. Therefore officers are expected to follow as much as they can to the letter, keeping everything neat and clear, black and white. The problem is, context and circumstances vary and sometimes things don't quite fit in the box the way they were "expected" to. The chain of command will very often have one way of handling things, which is usually micromanaging from up top from an office with no view of the field, and I'm beginning to think they purposefully choose to remain this blind so they don't have as much culpability when things go wrong.

So then the sergeant or direct supervisor does things differently than the mucky mucks up top thought they were destined to be done and in all that report writing, there's a lot of creative chatter back and forth in order to "justify" things that didn't exactly go along with policy...

Well... a lot of creative reports get written and eventually these officers start to become too good so good at it that that becomes the default way to explain situations that maybe should be handled differently or policies need to be changed. They've learned also that there are ways to explain certain things without falling on the wrong side of policy, so while up top those officials have no clue whatsoever the loop holes they've left opened and set up that eventually the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. When something does go wrong and there is a scandal they claim later on they didn't know about what was going on because even though it was in the reports, it obviously wasn't made clear enough. Therefore it isn't their responsibility so they pass it to someone else in the chain until eventually someone is stuck holding the bomb.

We had a major issue recently with an elected official, they claimed they had no responsibility because they were simply unaware... even though they were in charge of day to day operations, because they could hide behind the chain of command, they instead promised an investigation and that they would without a doubt find the people at fault and "make them pay".

It's frustrating to work within such organization as someone lower on the chain, and even more frustrating if you're the officer who wants to see things change for the better and to do things right. You have no idea who to talk to about improving or changing any policy or situation that is causing problems until you find that one guy who is willing to not only commit to the paperwork, but put his stamp on it to see it get done. When there is a lot of public scrutiny in the media and no good leadership in your org, then that one guy becomes even more difficult to find.

American culture too itself has major issues and I'm glad it's taking a beating, because let's be honest, a lot of problems begin there as well.

Thank you Maru. By return - and as I have said to you before - I LOVE your posts, so please keep them coming.

Your posts are ALWAYS well written, intelligent and informed, and on this particular issue, you are UNIQUELY placed to give us a real insight into the matter, as well as the benefit of your highly qualified opinion.

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Thank you Maru. By return - and as I have said to you before - I LOVE your posts, so please keep them coming.

Your posts are ALWAYS well written, intelligent and informed, and on this particular issue, you are UNIQUELY placed to give us a real insight into the matter, as well as the benefit of your highly qualified opinion.

Thanks kirk. I actually don't feel half the time my posts are all that well-written as I am trying to work on my English. I'm just glad when my words get across at least halfway decently. My husband is the writer and I often have him check it as well to see if I'm getting sloppy again

[Thotmas]

Originally Posted by Maru

Without launching into a large explanation, my response was not meant for the purpose of saying "get in line", but except maybe remember that all who walked before you and beside you are working towards a common goal and that one should borrow their brothers and sister's experiences. I'm of a very strong opinion that people should work together, particularly those within the same communities, for a common goal and purpose because no one will have your back like those who have walked in your shoes before.

Her responses are very divisive and for me, quite disconcerting because this is a time that we should all be relying one each other. I was just pointing this out in my own little way because it is my take, but at the same time dipping my toe in to see if we both could have a conversation that can go beyond certain rhetoric. Are they open to constructive thoughts or is it all just reactionary? If she took my response as too personal and too blunt, then that is half the problem... this is a controversial topic, it's going to be personal. Am I supposed to ignore my own observations of discussion and feelings being expressed here and not voice my opinion? It just seems like so few are listening to each other, more would rather do all the talking...

That said, my own words, "your own people". A person's culture is more than just skin color, it's shared experiences and common ancestors and obstacles that need to be overcome or that they are working to overcome. I can't possibly have a conversation from those shoes, because I am not in the. If I started to act as if I completely understand, that wouldn't be right. However, to reach a common goal, there eventually will need to trying other people's shoes on to see each other's points... however I take offense to someone who can be so disrespectful to others fighting the same fight and yet have no respect for their experience in it.

I would argue to some degree that it is self-hate. The disconnect is clear which is why I wrote my response and was so blunt about it. Sorry if it doesn't sound 'sensitive', but I'm the type that does not beat around the bush. She and I are very similar in that manner.

Anyway, her other post was deleted as well and so the only thing left was the lone extreme response and that was the one I had the emotional reaction to.



You're absolutely right. The last thing we need is more hate which is why I wrote my post. I think the other part that got taken out of context was when I mentioned people turning a blind eye. There are a few posters here who have made that clear and after a while you have to ask yourself if you'd just be fueling a pattern. She was very much allowed to write her own response, why would I tell someone what they can and cannot post? My post may have been very blunt and to the point in terms of trying to figure out if a conversation could happen, but I feel like the lines will get crossed anyway because these topics are so controversial and highly personalized.



How am I stopping anyone from expressing an opinion? I was expressing my own? That doesn't mean someone can't reply? Wow, you really can't say anything these days Respectfully, I think my post was taken a little bit out of context because honestly I don't think that much about what I posted? I wrote my concern about getting involved because of the observation. Sometimes people just write and write, they're not really there to be discussed with and that was my concern there.

If you look at my reply, it's fairly neutral. Some of her response was offensive, but she had her go at me and that was it. I sent her a friend request to reach out but I'm not going to go out of my way to be verbally abused when I legitimately do care about someone's POV's and wanted to strike a conversation. Her posts at times do not come off as welcoming discussion. I was afraid to take a chance? Many of her posts are outright name calling. I would love to discuss, but I'm only human and even I have a limit to what I can tolerate. I imagine some feel the same, which is why I wrote my post, to see if we could break the cycle?

Anyway, these are controversial discussions and I really feel to get anywhere, there needs to be trust and common respect. There seems to be little in this case, so I had already let it go. She had her rant at me and I wish her the best. I have no issues putting anyone on ignore so I already have her on there out of respect tbf. I did not want to be "tempted" by an intense discussion and find out it turns into verbal abuse and she didn't seem too keen on me with her reply but you can never be too sure. There is a lot of that going on in this particular section and I'd just like to avoid getting into some of the more ill language posts on here. I feel ill when I end up in passive aggressive conversations as they don't do me any world of good and they're predictable to be in anyway.

I do appreciate your words and I don't mind your "calling me out".

Edit: Opps, it turned into a large explanation. Sorry about that

Was hoping to keep ignoring this thread all together.

''but except maybe remember that all who walked before you and beside you are working towards a common goal and that one should borrow their brothers and sister's experiences.''
This is not a fact but just an opinion. Just because we share the same hue you assume their goal must be common to mine.

''Her responses are very divisive and for me, quite disconcerting because this is a time that we should all be relying one each other.''
As divisive as anybody else's comment who doesn't share a similar opinion. You call my comments divisive but from the start some of her comments were divisive, such as stereotyping black men and assume from a police stand point that the black men stereotype must by why fear instilled in the police officer. That offended me, which since you care so much about divide is also a culprit in divide. Why stereotype a group to justify another's wrong actions? Police have to deal with terrorists, criminals from all sorts of life and some of them end up in custody alive.


''You sound pretty young. You're all over the board posting the same stuff on a bunch of topics. I've read what you've had to say and I wish I could say something constructive and try to add positively, but what I'm more worried about that you will get lost in another of your rants and that I will have wasted my time...

Some of the people here are not even willing to give you the time of the day. It may come off as intolerant in retrospect and make you feel angry, but consider too that you may be part of the problem and getting in the way of your own arguments. ''

''If she took my response as too personal and too blunt, then that is half the problem... this is a controversial topic,*it's going to be personal ''

Your whole original post was personal. Your first paragraph alone was about assuming I post just for reaction and unbravely just react on a message board, which is what you yourself are doing. Then you talked about my age as if this has any relevance and it goes on. I have no idea why whether people give me the time of the day or not came into the post? Is it something you were discussing with someone? Either way, that comment was itself to create a reaction wasn't it? If you had a problem with my side of things, just comment on that. Why take it into my age, where and how I should post and who does or doesn't give me the time of day for how I post?!



''How am I stopping anyone from expressing an opinion?''
''*Are they open to constructive thoughts or is it all just reactionary? ''

Either way my posts are it's not up to you to dictate how someone should or shouldn't post If you want to monitor that, create your own board but if you yourself touched on thoughts not being too important when posted on a message board why does it concern you that much if some of my posts are reactionary? If reactionary posts are a waste of your time from forum members, keep scrolling or perhaps you yourself should go out there and put your essays somewhere where it actually matters.

''however I take offense to someone who can be so disrespectful to others fighting the same fight and yet have no respect for their experience in it. ''

What was disrespectful about my post? My original quote that you quoted was in response to the lady saying that this is the United states-well I was pointing out things that showed that the United states isn't and hasn't really been ''UNITED'' as she claims and those were examples. In fact her quote is redundant because that is the very thing that the group she's scolding have been fighting against. ''In ALL LIVES includes black lives, we are all one race, treat us the same''. If you listen to some of Malcom X or MLK's speeches, not just the glossed over commercialiased ones, what they say sounds like it was written about an event today which shows the problem has always been there. If she wants to make a point that we should all keep fighting peacefully (not that it helps) then she can do so without being oppressive. This is where my ''reactionary'' reaction came in.



'' Some of her response was offensive, but she had her go at me and that was it.''

Tbf you had a 'go. Please don't play the victim as my replies above shows why I felt the need to have a ''go'' aswell.

''I'm not going to go out of my way to be verbally abused ''

If you felt so verbally abused why send me a friend request then?

''which is why I wrote my post, to see if we could break the cycle?''

Yes ''your own people'' ''at least they have the cajones'' 'this is much braver'' are great cycle breakers.

You took offence to my post, I personally take offence to people using the word abuse so loosely.

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Was hoping to keep ignoring this thread all together.

Right. I find it interesting you will engage my response to the other poster, but you didn't bother to engage my other reply and let the conversation go stale where I was more conciliatory and had already confessed I didn't read the other response so I lacked the proper context to reply.

Beyond that, there's nothing else to say. The rest would just be beating a dead horse which serves no real purpose than to derail a thread further.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Maru

Right. I find it interesting you will engage my response to the other poster, but you didn't bother to engage my other reply and let the conversation go stale where I was more conciliatory and had already confessed I didn't read the other response so I lacked the proper context to reply.

Beyond that, there's nothing else to say. The rest would just be beating a dead horse which serves no real purpose than to derail a thread further.

maru dont rise to the baiting. You have expressed yourself impeccably so no need to further qualify this.

[Thotmas]

Originally Posted by Maru

Right. I find it interesting you will engage my response to the other poster, but you didn't bother to engage my other reply and let the conversation go stale where I was more conciliatory and had already confessed I didn't read the other response so I lacked the proper context to reply.

Beyond that, there's nothing else to say. The rest would just be beating a dead horse which serves no real purpose than to derail a thread further.

Well on my newer post I replied to your original ask. That's my side of things. Your first ever post to me was judgmental so excuse me if I didn't particularly want to engage with you at the time.

[user104658]

I've never understood why people take such issue with the term "black lives matter". It's almost like people get defensive about it, like "what about me??". Personally, I've always considered the slogan to be about saying "black lives matter too". A lot of people seem to take it as "Only black lives matter" but I don't think anyone has ever been saying that?

And yes I also agree that this sort of escalation was inevitable. For those saying "well this won't help anything"... That's not really the point. The point is that it's reaching breaking point and people are snapping. They don't think it will help, but they don't think that ANYTHING will help. When people feel unheard, powerless and under attack it is only a matter of time before they snap.

The absolute worst thing you can do is "pull an LT", throw your head in the sand and demand to see "concrete evidence" of a link before you will even acknowledge the legitimacy of people's grievances. This is what I've been talking about for the last couple of weeks. When there is a clear escalation in tensions in any situation you HAVE to acknowledge it and try to address it quickly before it rolls completely out of control. This is a lesson that Britain should be learning from the US right now, before we learn it ourselves the hard way.

[Thotmas]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I've never understood why people take such issue with the term "black lives matter". It's almost like people get defensive about it, like "what about me??". Personally, I've always considered the slogan to be about saying "black lives matter too". A lot of people seem to take it as "Only black lives matter" but I don't think anyone has ever been saying that?

And yes I also agree that this sort of escalation was inevitable. For those saying "well this won't help anything"... That's not really the point. The point is that it's reaching breaking point and people are snapping. They don't think it will help, but they don't think that ANYTHING will help. When people feel unheard, powerless and under attack it is only a matter of time before they snap.

The absolute worst thing you can do is "pull an LT", throw your head in the sand and demand to see "concrete evidence" of a link before you will even acknowledge the legitimacy of people's grievances. This is what I've been talking about for the last couple of weeks. When there is a clear escalation in tensions in any situation you HAVE to acknowledge it and try to address it quickly before it rolls completely out of control. This is a lesson that Britain should be learning from the US right now, before we learn it ourselves the hard way.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I've never understood why people take such issue with the term "black lives matter". It's almost like people get defensive about it, like "what about me??". Personally, I've always considered the slogan to be about saying "black lives matter too". A lot of people seem to take it as "Only black lives matter" but I don't think anyone has ever been saying that?

And yes I also agree that this sort of escalation was inevitable. For those saying "well this won't help anything"... That's not really the point. The point is that it's reaching breaking point and people are snapping. They don't think it will help, but they don't think that ANYTHING will help. When people feel unheard, powerless and under attack it is only a matter of time before they snap.

The absolute worst thing you can do is "pull an LT", throw your head in the sand and demand to see "concrete evidence" of a link before you will even acknowledge the legitimacy of people's grievances. This is what I've been talking about for the last couple of weeks. When there is a clear escalation in tensions in any situation you HAVE to acknowledge it and try to address it quickly before it rolls completely out of control. This is a lesson that Britain should be learning from the US right now, before we learn it ourselves the hard way.

Well why don't they just make their slogan 'black lives matter too' to stop any confusion?Having a slogan like that which implies that only black lives matter is bound to cause controversy.
Some of these blm people actually do think that only black lives matter and are racist.Those are the ones who give blm the bad reputation they have and detract from their cause.Most black people are killed by other black people but they don't go protesting over that.

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Well why don't they just make their slogan 'black lives matter too' to stop any confusion?Having a slogan like that which implies that only black lives matter is bound to cause controversy.
Some of these blm people actually do think that only black lives matter and are racist.Those are the ones who give blm the bad reputation they have and detract from their cause.Most black people are killed by other black people but they don't go protesting over that.

No it doesn't

and in regards to this "Most black people are killed by other black people but they don't go protesting over that." The big difference here is that the Police are supposed to be there to uphold the law, serve and protect, they're not supposed to be the criminals