[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

What an arsehole, using the deaths of so many people to push his anti-PC agenda. Disgraceful.

How is this different than government using deaths to push their PC agenda?

[the truth]

the man is right. close the borders until further notice, massively tighten border controls, scrap the schengen now and forever, at the very least this may give the cops and intelligence the chance to protect the public. they have zero chance as it is as terorists can hop across borders unchecked and back and forth to the middle east to get wepaons and training etc

merkel must resign NOW

[user104658]

Seclusion and division is not going to solve this problem, it's going to compound it. How is it that people are failing to understand this?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Seclusion and division is not going to solve this problem, it's going to compound it. How is it that people are failing to understand this?

Because people like to try to justify their prejudices. They're short sighted people that know they're in the wrong but desperately want to feel vindicated in their views.

[Northern Monkey]

Just listening to a bloke on TV saying they adopted this tactic from Hamas who use cars as weapons in Israel.They mow people down at bus stops.Been using this for a while.I bet we could start seeing more of this style of attack.Scary to think you can be just at a social event or even walking down a pavement on a busy street and a car or lorry may possibly come and hit anyone and their family.
It's a kind of attack that doesn't need much planning at all.Just a vehicle

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Just listening to a bloke on TV saying they adopted this tactic from Hamas who use cars as weapons in Israel.They mow people down at bus stops.Been using this for a while.I bet we could start seeing more of this style of attack.Scary to think you can be just at a social event or even walking down a pavement on a busy street and a car or lorry may possibly come and hit anyone and their family.

ISIS called for this months ago, for lone wolves to use any means including vehicles to maim and kill, Lee Rigby was mown down before being attacked

[the truth]

it is 100% the fault of the insane illogical immoral march of political correctness and the unelected unaccountable EU....Millions of people passing through 30 odd nations unchecked , guess what some of them are criminals and some are terrorists and the EU rules have made it impossible to catch them, stop them in time...the first rule of government is to protect the people...the eu simply dont care about the people. their power obsession and masterplan comes above everything

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by the truth

it is 100% the fault of the insane illogical immoral march of political correctness and the unelected unaccountable EU....Millions of people passing through 30 odd nations unchecked , guess what some of them are criminals and some are terrorists and the EU rules have made it impossible to catch them, stop them in time...the first rule of government is to protect the people...the eu simply dont care about the people. their power obsession and masterplan comes above everything

Common Sense. The thing that disturbs me more than anything is the image of thousands of young people protesting leaving the EU. To think that they could brainwash that many people.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by the truth

it is 100% the fault of the insane illogical immoral march of political correctness and the unelected unaccountable EU....Millions of people passing through 30 odd nations unchecked , guess what some of them are criminals and some are terrorists and the EU rules have made it impossible to catch them, stop them in time...the first rule of government is to protect the people...the eu simply dont care about the people. their power obsession and masterplan comes above everything

Very true
Security should be priority over everything else.Even the idealistic dream of some borderless free moving utopia.

[Anaesthesia]

My best friend at work is a German lady, who married an Iranian Muslim. His family moved to Germany when he was 10, and he fully integrated into the country he was brought into; his mother did not. She refused to learn German, after 28 years she refuses to even try and can use only the most basic phrases. She hates my colleague, and frequently at family get-togethers suggests one or another friend or cousin born into the faith as his next wife...notwithstanding they have been together for 19 years, my friend converted to Islam as a gesture to his family, and they have 2 teenage, european, multicultural children together. The mother in law does not hesitate to say this in front of my friend.

My friend and her family have been living and working in the UK for 5 years now. Her opinion is, if you wish to emigrate, at least pick a country that reflects what you want to be and how the general populace act. Do not move to a secular country if your religious and cultural wishes override all and do not reflect the new country. For the same reason, she (my friend) would not emigrate to Iran to be subjugated. If we would have to dress appropriately for living in an Islamic country, they should expect rules upon (eg) the veil, such as in (secular) France.

Incidentally they left Germany because of a rise in hate attacks against people in mixed marriages.



This is not political correctness, it is about being fully part of your chosen country and accepting their rules and morals. That's not racist. It's bloody common sense.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Anaesthesia

My best friend at work is a German lady, who married an Iranian Muslim. His family moved to Germany when he was 10, and he fully integrated into the country he was brought into; his mother did not. She refused to learn German, after 28 years she refuses to even try and can use only the most basic phrases. She hates my colleague, and frequently at family get-togethers suggests one or another friend or cousin born into the faith as his next wife...notwithstanding they have been together for 19 years, my friend converted to Islam as a gesture to his family, and they have 2 teenage, european, multicultural children together. The mother in law does not hesitate to say this in front of my friend.

My friend and her family have been living and working in the UK for 5 years now. Her opinion is, if you wish to emigrate, at least pick a country that reflects what you want to be and how the general populace act. Do not move to a secular country if your religious and cultural wishes override all and do not reflect the new country. For the same reason, she (my friend) would not emigrate to Iran to be subjugated. If we would have to dress appropriately for living in an Islamic country, they should expect rules upon (eg) the veil, such as in (secular) France.

Incidentally they left Germany because of a rise in hate attacks against people in mixed marriages.



This is not political correctness, it is about being fully part of your chosen country and accepting their rules and morals. That's not racist. It's bloody common sense.

Great post.

[Shaun]

I would absolutely agree with refusing entry to anyone who withholds extremist beliefs but surely the problem is identifying them? It just seems like a bit of a nightmare trying to say "this muslim: fine, that one: nope" with anything other than a hunch.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I would absolutely agree with refusing entry to anyone who withholds extremist beliefs but surely the problem is identifying them? It just seems like a bit of a nightmare trying to say "this muslim: fine, that one: nope" with anything other than a hunch.

its not impossible just have a green card system, where people qualify to get into a country and qualify over time to become a citizen... like so many other developed nations, australia, new zealand, canada , america etc etc

well with the schengen and the eu anyone goes anywhere unchecked...its absolutely insane..amongst the millions there are many.illegals, there are some thieves, there are some murderers, there are some terrorists etc thats just a fact and we dont know who is who....how the heck can cops catch them all with no checks and no border controls?

[empire]

my brothers friend is dating a british born iraqi girl and they have been togather for three years, and he is white and she's very westernised, and not very religious, her parents are bigots and hate white people, the hypocrisy is that they escaped iraq and moved here and hate are way of life, and they don't know about her white english boyfriend, one time they went into a market that was mostly a muslim enclave, the males would spit on the ground very close to her, and making death stare looks at her, the problem is that you get an immigrant population that mark their territory and make enclave's and ghetto's in towns and cities, and it causes huge problems, and it will kick off in france, the 2005 riots marked that france made the biggest mistake in the 50s and 60s, what happened in bradford and oldham here proved that the multicultuaralism experiment failed, and what have we been doing from then and now is, well we have been sugar coating it, same thing with sweden and germany, that's why countries in the east of europe have rejected the multiculturalism experiment, and the history of fighting the ottoman empire played at the back of there minds just made them understand,

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by empire

my brothers friend is dating a british born iraqi girl and they have been togather for three years, and he is white and she's very westernised, and not very religious, her parents are bigots and hate white people, the hypocrisy is that they escaped iraq and moved here and hate are way of life, and they don't know about her white english boyfriend, one time they went into a market that was mostly a muslim enclave, the males would spit on the ground very close to her, and making death stare looks at her, the problem is that you get an immigrant population that mark their territory and make enclave's and ghetto's in towns and cities, and it causes huge problems, and it will kick off in france, the 2005 riots marked that france made the biggest mistake in the 50s and 60s, what happened in bradford and oldham here proved that the multicultuaralism experiment failed, and what have we been doing from then and now is, well we have been sugar coating it, same thing with sweden and germany, that's why countries in the east of europe have rejected the multiculturalism experiment, and the history of fighting the ottoman empire played at the back of there minds just made them understand,

...you just went though from a hearsay thing of 'I heard a story'/someone told me/the friend of a relative etc and this is what happened to them...to 'they hate us/our way of life'..to 'it all kicks off in France'...to the 'failure' of multi-culture in many countries...I mean, this is it though, isn't it...the build up of fears of Muslims as a whole that are completely unfounded because they're isolated incidents...these fears are what prejudices/intolerances etc are built on...and it's how easily they grow and grow...if we heard something about a non-Muslim, a hearsay thing...'oh the guy down the road' etc did this and behaved like that..we wouldn't stereotype or even begin to stereotype whole communities from that...I mean it's a dumb and stupid/vicious circle isn't it...because maybe there is not always the inclination to integrate, when such prejudice and stereotyping is shown...because you've just jumped to 'world problems' from an isolated and 'hearsay' incident...

[user104658]

Not sure if people realise that what they're describing is not "multiculturalism". It's a complete failure to properly implement multiculturalism.

It CAN and DOES work if people are willing to put in the work but the most important factor is acceptance and integration. The reason it has ended up failing so badly in so many areas, the reasons that ghettos and divisions end up forming, has as much to do with lack of acceptance as it does the desire of those who end up there.

Look back over the last 50/60 years, or since WW2 really, and tell me that Britain (average Bob in the average British town) opened his arms and accepted other cultures?

Rejection leads to alienation leads to resisting integration. The exact OPPOSITE of multiculturalism.