[Livia]

I think 10% of Islam is violent and 90% hide their complacency with protestations of peace.

[Livia]

Ninastar introduced me to Brigitte Gabriel and she's posted this clip before, but it's really worth posting it again.

Youtube video

[the truth]

there is simply no way we can ignore the fact there is a serious problem within Islam, to use political correctness to brush it off as a tiny minority is extremely dangerous....34000 innocents were killed last year by radical jihadists last year, that figure is rising. even if its just 10% thats still 120 million radicals. donald trumps suggestions are way over the top, but on the other hand angela merkels strategy is just as insane and dangerous at the other end of the spectrum

[bots]

How can any religion be peaceful when its aims are to convert 'heathens' to it. If it were peaceful, it would have no designs on expansionism.

While it can be said that the majority in a religion are peaceful, that means squat when that religion encompasses millions of people, because the simple fact is, many, many followers of that religion want to convert the heathens by any means, and their religion having expansionist aims freely condones that behaviour.

In this day and age it is ridiculous that any religion should be allowed to freely practice conversion. Remove that from them, and nutters have no longer any pretext to attach violence to religion.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

Ughh this is so complicated for me because in general the answer is no.

But its obvious there is a problem arising and we need to do something about it. Yes 'ISIS' arent 'true muslims' but we cannot deny that this is what they claim to be and they are acting on what they believe makes them a 'true muslim'...

What I don't like about Islam, is the way how they (and yes, other religions too) treat women. I just don't think I'll ever understand how its okay for a woman to wear something that completely covers her whole entire body in (sometimes) 40+ degree heat. I don't think its right at all. I know women have the choice to wear it, but tbh, I feel like there is a lot of pressure for women to wear it.

I love headscarves, I love the shawls and the dresses etc that a lot of women wear, I think they are absolutely beautiful. But when you have to walk 3 steps behind your man and you can only show your eyes in public... now that upsets me and it really annoys me too.

I remember going to Disneyworld in Florida (it was only about 30 degrees then, but still) and I saw a muslim family where there was one teenage girl and her two younger brothers. She had the full outfit on, whilst her brothers were running around in shorts and and a t-shirt...

I understand that a lot of muslims think that our women don't wear enough clothes (I dont blame them tbh) but to go to that extreme just makes me feel a bit sick.

Yes, I know other religions treat women like crap too, but this one seems to take the lead.

Great post!

The part in bold leaves a pit in my stomach. It's just horrible.

Personally, I don't believe in telling other cultures how they should lead their lives as I'm very anti-ethnocentric... but I have an issue when one's spirituality starts to impinge on other people's rights to lead their own lives. Therefore, I don't follow a religion as I don't believe in indoctrinating others. My spiritual philosophy centers on the individual, not the group.

I don't feel religions should be politicized in the manner that they generally are now. Christianity is just as bad as Islam as the truth's post mentioned.

Still, I have a hard time judging Islam on the whole for this reason. It's like when the government raided the FLDS in Texas. I agreed with it only because it is a brainwashing splinter religion built around raping women against their will and gaming the tax and welfare system.

For every radical Muslim, there are many peaceful and non-politically motivated parishioners who can coexistence peacefully. When we blame an entire religion for most of the problems in the world we are encouraging it's radicalization via counter-coercive forces, if not by faith, then by culture.

Originally Posted by the truth

But most wars are still fought to make obscene profits for the elite 0.1% Divide and conquer has been going on a thousand years and were still pointing the finger at each other instead of these at the very top of the pyramid.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

How can any religion be peaceful when its aims are to convert 'heathens' to it. If it were peaceful, it would have no designs on expansionism.

While it can be said that the majority in a religion are peaceful, that means squat when that religion encompasses millions of people, because the simple fact is, many, many followers of that religion want to convert the heathens by any means, and their religion having expansionist aims freely condones that behavior.

In this day and age it is ridiculous that any religion should be allowed to freely practice conversion. Remove that from them, and nutters have no longer any pretext to attach violence to religion.

A thousand times this in the bold. I don't necessarily agree with placing restrictions on religious conversion (it wouldn't be a religion anymore, it would be like the local HOA or a God fanclub ).

No religion can be the moniker of peace it often claims to be as long as a priority on expansionism is involved.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just ask any muslim child what the penalty for Apostasy is

[Ninastar]

Ughh this is so complicated for me because in general the answer is no.

But its obvious there is a problem arising and we need to do something about it. Yes 'ISIS' arent 'true muslims' but we cannot deny that this is what they claim to be and they are acting on what they believe makes them a 'true muslim'...

What I don't like about Islam, is the way how they (and yes, other religions too) treat women. I just don't think I'll ever understand how its okay for a woman to wear something that completely covers her whole entire body in (sometimes) 40+ degree heat. I don't think its right at all. I know women have the choice to wear it, but tbh, I feel like there is a lot of pressure for women to wear it.

I love headscarves, I love the shawls and the dresses etc that a lot of women wear, I think they are absolutely beautiful. But when you have to walk 3 steps behind your man and you can only show your eyes in public... now that upsets me and it really annoys me too.

I remember going to Disneyworld in Florida (it was only about 30 degrees then, but still) and I saw a muslim family where there was one teenage girl and her two younger brothers. She had the full outfit on, whilst her brothers were running around in shorts and and a t-shirt...

I understand that a lot of muslims think that our women don't wear enough clothes (I dont blame them tbh) but to go to that extreme just makes me feel a bit sick.

Yes, I know other religions treat women like crap too, but this one seems to take the lead.

[Ninastar]

I hope that makes sense anyway. I'm so not the best with words (as you all know) but I'm honest with my words and thats all i care about really

[Crimson Dynamo]

It was Tony Blair who sorted out Ireland finally so i think we best forget the whole thing really

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It was Tony Blair who sorted out Ireland finally so i think we best forget the whole thing really

Sorry I posted, to be honest.

[Tom4784]

The bible preaches that we should stone people for wearing two different fabrics. There's bat**** crazy stuff in all religious texts that no longer apply to today's world and is ignored by most followers and it's no different for Islam. Your Average christian isn't going to go around killing people for eating shellfish and your average Muslim wouldn't carry out the punishments listed on the Quran.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The bible preaches that we should stone people for wearing two different fabrics. There's bat**** crazy stuff in all religious texts that no longer apply to today's world and is ignored by most followers and it's no different for Islam. Your Average christian isn't going to go around killing people for eating shellfish and your average Muslim wouldn't carry out the punishments listed on the Quran.

Double Denim came from Jesus?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Double Denim came from Jesus?

I'm pretty sure Double Denim came from Satan in all honesty.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Double Denim came from Jesus?

That was a different deity



Praise ha

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

That was a different deity



Praise ha

Spoiler:

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Spoiler:

That FIRST spoiler is so hilarious, but that lowest Right Hand one.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The bible preaches that we should stone people for wearing two different fabrics. There's bat**** crazy stuff in all religious texts that no longer apply to today's world and is ignored by most followers and it's no different for Islam. Your Average christian isn't going to go around killing people for eating shellfish and your average Muslim wouldn't carry out the punishments listed on the Quran.

you cant really compare the OT with the Koran like that. The NT is the new covenant to Christians and its a lot harder to use to justify death, unlike the unreformed religion of Islam and its guide book of bollocks the Koran

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

you cant really compare the OT with the Koran like that. The NT is the new covenant to Christians and its a lot harder to use to justify death, unlike the unreformed religion of Islam and its guide book of bollocks the Koran

I can and I will, if the OT doesn't count then why is it still included in the Bible? It's as valid as the NT for this discussion.

All religions have violent passages, anyone can interpret them in ways to justify their own violent acts. This is not a Islamic thing, religious terrorism has existed for years before Islamic Terrorism rose to prominence and it'll exist for as long as there are people to use religion to justify their violent acts. Give it a decade or two and there will be another religion that's used to justify Terrorism.

Hell, the US suffers terrorist attacks from non-Muslims every few weeks but the media will never call the mass shootings terrorism because they don't wish to confuse the narrative that it's only Muslims that are a threat.

[Mystic Mock]

I personally believe that Christianity nor Islam is peaceful (Mohammed molests a nine year old in the Koran) (and Christianity promotes slavery as if it's a good thing) so no the Religions I don't think are peaceful.

However I do feel that individuals that follow a Religion can be peaceful like in all walks of life.

[the truth]

I suspect monarchy is more responsible for war and death than anything else. Now we may say the dark days of torture , rape and pillage are behind us. But most wars are still fought to make obscene profits for the elite 0.1% Divide and conquer has been going on a thousand years and were still pointing the finger at each other instead of these at the very top of the pyramid.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

I suspect monarchy is more responsible for war and death than anything else. Now we may say the dark days of torture , rape and pillage are behind us. But most wars are still fought to make obscene profits for the elite 0.1% Divide and conquer has been going on a thousand years and were still pointing the finger at each other instead of these at the very top of the pyramid.

ain't that the truth

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by the truth

I suspect monarchy is more responsible for war and death than anything else. Now we may say the dark days of torture , rape and pillage are behind us. But most wars are still fought to make obscene profits for the elite 0.1% Divide and conquer has been going on a thousand years and were still pointing the finger at each other instead of these at the very top of the pyramid.

That's an excellent point The Truth.

[Vicky.]

Erm, ok sorry. IRA were the first 'terrorist' organization that came into my head when IO wrote that post, didn't mean to start all of this :S

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Erm, ok sorry. IRA were the first 'terrorist' organization that came into my head when IO wrote that post, didn't mean to start all of this :S

It's alright as I like discussions about the IRA as it's so morally gray, and that's coming from someone from England who probably shouldn't be understanding the IRA's point of view at all.

Where the IRA did go wrong was when they was deliberately blowing up kids, they lost the general public at that very moment.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Erm, ok sorry. IRA were the first 'terrorist' organization that came into my head when IO wrote that post, didn't mean to start all of this :S