[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Look just because people have a differing view to you, that does not make your case or mine or others any the more valid, no need for derision.

I just think her rhetoric as to it is far different from Trumps.
Both come across bad on the issue, no denying that but he appears to have a more sinister attitude and tone,to any such barrier or wall as in the content of what he says and more to the point how he expresses same.

Many politicians want, or don't want things and then if the time suits, or for genuine changes of heart, change their stance on whatever it may be.

That happens with politicians the World over, not just in the UK or the USA.

she voted to kill a million innocent people based on a pack of lies, you cant get much more sinister than that

[Mokka]

I will go on record to say it is a mistake on both parties to alienate any part of the voter base with stereotyping and name calling... but isn't that just what this whole American election has digressed to and why this whole election and it's candidates are a big joke....but unfortunately a joke that will probably impact the whole world with it's result.

I would personally still maintain that Hilary is the lesser of the two evils... as some on here would suggest it is Trump... but I think for the most part it is a choice between two evils

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Mokka

I will go on record to say it is a mistake on both parties to alienate any part of the voter base with stereotyping and name calling... but isn't that just what this whole American election has digressed to and why this whole election and it's candidates are a big joke....but unfortunately a joke that will probably impact the whole world with it's result.

I would personally still maintain that Hilary is the lesser of the two evils... as some on here would suggest it is Trump... but I think for the most part it is a choice between two evils

It is appalling

I think trump is the lesser of the 2 evils....hes right on trade, right on tariffs, right on jobs overseas, right on tackling corporate corruption, right on debt, right on social security, right to want to reduce the wars in the middle east, right on brexit, right to tighten border controls, right to discuss the drugs and crime coming into the country, right to criticize too much political correctness, but wrong to target all muslims even in the short term and wrong on guns

she is simply more of the status quo only much much worse than obama

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by the truth

It is appalling

I think trump is the lesser of the 2 evils....hes right on trade, right on tariffs, right on jobs overseas, right on tackling corporate corruption, right on debt, right on social security, right to want to reduce the wars in the middle east, right on brexit, right to tighten border controls, right to discuss the drugs and crime coming into the country, right to criticize too much political correctness, but wrong to target all muslims even in the short term and wrong on guns

she is simply more of the status quo only much much worse than obama

This^
Only i fear she will take us to the brink of a major conflict

[Maru]

This entire thread could've been avoided if more people voted in primaries... it is a democracy, but if we are apathetic about the potential result or vote "lesser of two evils" every single time while continuously vetting these two ss****ty parties then this is the result we should expect.

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Maru

This entire thread could've been avoided if more people voted in primaries... it is a democracy, but if we are apathetic about the potential result or vote "lesser of two evils" every single time while continuously vetting these two ss****ty parties then this is the result we should expect.

... how many diabolical threads could have been avoided if only....

I agree whole heartedly though!

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Mokka

... how many diabolical threads could have been avoided if only....

I agree whole heartedly though!

You'd be surprised though to see the actual numbers...our voting percentages are dismal imho.

Only 9% of America Chose Trump and Clinton as the Nominees (NYT)
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...d-clinton.html

I really need to stop turning off my javascript to leech articles and actually pay for the NYT. They have really put out some some amazing stuff this election.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Maru

You'd be surprised though to see the actual numbers...our voting percentages are dismal imho.

Only 9% of America Chose Trump and Clinton as the Nominees (NYT)
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...d-clinton.html

I really need to stop turning off my javascript to leech articles and actually pay for the NYT. They have really put out some some amazing stuff this election.

Excellent article.

HRC showing this level of disdain for voters isnt too surprising. She comes across as privileged and entitled most of the time any way. It is noticeable that she made the comment while talking to her fat cat friends. Maybe she should spend a little less time talking to them and a bit more time talking to the public.

[user104658]

Anyone who thinks that any individual at either end of the political spectrum had any say whatsoever in what went down in Iraq, purely and simply, does not understand the world.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Anyone who thinks that any individual at either end of the political spectrum had any say whatsoever in what went down in Iraq, purely and simply, does not understand the world.

Illuminati Bilderberg elites?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Illuminati Bilderberg elites?

I don't believe in the illuminati per se, but there are global events that transcend red/blue politics and are going to happen, no matter who has influence, no matter who is in power. 9/11 --> Iraq war is one of those event chains.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't believe in the illuminati per se, but there are global events that transcend red/blue politics and are going to happen, no matter who has influence, no matter who is in power. 9/11 --> Iraq war is one of those event chains.

Yes those two events are definitely linked.I don't believe the 9/11 controlled demolition conspiracy theories but the way we went into Iraq straight after is definitely quite suspicious.Almost as if they were already waiting for an excuse to go in before.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Yes those two events are definitely linked.I don't believe the 9/11 controlled demolition conspiracy theories but the way we went into Iraq straight after is definitely quite suspicious.Almost as if they were already waiting for an excuse to go in before.

the neo cons had a masterplan a few years earlier, saddam had started sellling oil in euros , that alone was costing the usa billions
the whole iraq war propoganda was a massive lie as we knew then and know now. the war was about oil , it was about revenge, it was about building pipelines and getting a foothold in the persian gulf.
some people think the americans allowed pearl harbour to happen and they claim the fact vast numbers of ships and weapons were absent shows they were expecting it, to give them an excuse to drop their atomic bomb. how on earth did 100s of japanese planes fly 1000s of miles across the atlantic unseen to bomb pearl harbour?
they also believe 911 was allowed to happen. hard to believe, but when you consider the fact bush was actually in business with the bin laden family and allowed them to fly out of america after 911 ...then maybe anything is possible

[bots]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Yes those two events are definitely linked.I don't believe the 9/11 controlled demolition conspiracy theories but the way we went into Iraq straight after is definitely quite suspicious.Almost as if they were already waiting for an excuse to go in before.

i think the timeline of events is somewhat skewed here. We first had the war against iraq when they invaded kuwait, there was also the matter of him firing chemical weapons at his own people. Then we had 9/11 which led to the conflict in Afghanistan. People that link 9/11 to iraq are just not following the time line and the true connection of events.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Anyone who thinks that any individual at either end of the political spectrum had any say whatsoever in what went down in Iraq, purely and simply, does not understand the world.

everyone had a say ive no idea what youre talking about. everyone voted and somehow the majority were hoodwinked by a pack of lies

[Johnnyuk123]

The only basket case is Hillary Clinton.