[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Newspapers are just opinion

ok but that would still be a way that they could be treated like a Terrorist, you asked I answered

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

ok but that would still be a way that they could be treated like a Terrorist, you asked I answered

Well the people at the Mail dont see it like that, I guess they see him as a lone wolf nutter.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Newspapers are just opinion

Whose opinion are they catering for?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Not make excuses for him in Newspapers?

Or attempt to garner sympathy for him and his cause by making out he was worried about losing his house.

[UserSince2005]

Hes not a terrorist because he wasnt trying to terrorise the general population, Just specifically the lefty liberals.

[MTVN]

Not really surprising with the FT either seeing as they're mainly concerned with political economy and give a bigger focus to global news

[joeysteele]

He is a terrorist and he likely would have wanted to take more lives had he got away with this one.

Like in the Lee Rigby case,caught in the act, no doubt as to their guilt and they just as this vile human being Mair too, plead not guilty at their trials.

No remorse, no shame no acknowledgement of the rotten brutal murder they chose to commit.

As for the Daily Mail, I guess they put this somewhere well into the paper than the front page, had this been a Conservative MP it would have probably been on the font page.
I have not time for the Daily Mail, in fact I have little time for any of the press now anyway.

However the Daily Mail particularly is one publication I wouldn't even soil my hands on even touching it to look more closely at it, let alone ever buying it.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

He is a terrorist and he likely would have wanted to take more lives had he got away with this one.

Like in the Lee Rigby case,caught in the act, no doubt as to their guilt and they just as this vile human being Mair too, plead not guilty at their trials.

No remorse, no shame no acknowledgement of the rotten brutal murder they chose to commit.

As for the Daily Mail, I guess they put this somewhere well into the paper than the front page, had this been a Conservative MP it would have probably been on the font page.
I have not time for the Daily Mail, in fact I have little time for any of the press now anyway.

However the Daily Mail particularly is one publication I wouldn't even soil my hands on even touching it to look more closely at it, let alone ever buying it.

To seriously suggest that a daily newspaper were less concerned about the brutal murder of a labour MP than they would have been been of a Tory MP is ridiculous.

The worst thing though is to attempt to make any comparison between the motivations/mindset of the killers in both these cases. Lee Rigby' killers were hardline terrorists out to kill anyone who fitted their agenda, in this case a British soldier. The MP's killer had a fixation on this particular MP and is clearly mentally ill.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

To seriously suggest that a daily newspaper were less concerned about the brutal murder of a labour MP than they would have been been of a Tory MP is ridiculous.

The worst thing though is to attempt to make any comparison between the motivations/mindset of the killers in both these cases. Lee Rigby' killers were hardline terrorists out to kill anyone who fitted their agenda, in this case a British soldier. The MP's killer had a fixation on this particular MP and is clearly mentally ill.

Firstly,I came from a Conservative background and was a supporter until I was 18.
However now 24 over the years I have come to see things differently,so it is not a left wing obsession as to the Mail in fact it is fact.
This is the paper that shockingly slandered Miliband's Father on its front pages, if you cannot see that the Mail is heavily prejudiced to the right as against the left, that is not my problem.

This man Mair, please do not infer mental illness, that cop out for so many rotten crimes.
This man researched,acquired the weapons, planned and executed his crime no less so than the vile murderers of Lee Rigby.
Who also were deliberately targetting a Soldier, because they hate the British armed forces.

This man in the end targetted this MP, because her views differed from his and all he had become obsessed with as to believing was right from his vile collection of memorabilia and reading matter.

The worst thing anyone can do, in my view, is to try to say he has a mental illness.
No he has not, he was able to sit in court all trough his trial, refuse to take the stand and was fully able to plan this atrocious act, long before enacting it too.

He is a terrorist, he should be treated like one, no way should mental illness get more stigmatised by people claiming he has a mental illness, none of which was said in court or before or after this case either.
I would imagine anyone reading your post claiming he is mentally ill to have done this, who themselves may have any mental issues would be horrified by your words.

No way should he be justified even in any small way whatsoever for this act and certainly not by playing a mental illness card..

[Withano]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Firstly,I came from a Conservative background and was a supporter until I was 18.
However now 24 over the years I have come to see things differently,so it is not a left wing obsession as to the Mail in fact it is fact.
This is the paper that shockingly slandered Miliband's Father on its front pages, if you cannot see that the Mail is heavily prejudiced to the right as against the left, that is not my problem.

This man Mair, please do not infer mental illness, that cop out for so many rotten crimes.
This man researched,acquired the weapons, planned and executed his crime no less so than the vile murderers of Lee Rigby.
Who also were deliberately targetting a Soldier, because they hate the British armed forces.

This man in the end targetted this MP, because her views differed from his and all he had become obsessed with as to believing was right from his vile collection of memorabilia and reading matter.

The worst thing anyone can do, in my view, is to try to say he has a mental illness.
No he has not, he was able to sit in court all trough his trial, refuse to take the stand and was fully able to plan this atrocious act, long before enacting it too.

He is a terrorist, he should be treated like one, no way should mental illness get more stigmatised by people claiming he has a mental illness, none of which was said in court or before or after this case either.
I would imagine anyone reading your post claiming he is mentally ill to have done this, who themselves may have any mental issues would be horrified by your words.

No way should he be justified even in any small way whatsoever for this act and certainly not by playing a mental illness card..

Everything about this is brilliant

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The Mail may lean to the right, just as others lean to the left, but I don't see people constantly slagging-off the left-leaners (newspapers) in an attempt to discredit other posters' opinions in the way some some left-leaners on here constantly do. Some are so obsessed with their hatred of a newspaper and so pedicable you are just waiting for the inevitable 'tantrum'. It's so boring.

I still feel there is evidence to suggest the MP's killer maybe mentally ill. That in no way lessens the horror of his crime, but it certainly needs to be completely ruled out first. Either way he will be taken off the streets to keep the rest of us safe.

I don't believe comparing him to the killers of Lee Rigby is constructive. I think these cases were entirely different with the former posing much more of a risk to our society in general. They are religous zealots ( and I use the word 'religous' very loosely) as their idea of religion is power and control. I feel the other is simply one of society's mis-fits, for whatever reason, making any kind of comparison fruitless.

excellent points

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The Mail may lean to the right, just as others lean to the left, but I don't see people constantly slagging-off the left-leaners (newspapers) in an attempt to discredit other posters' opinions in the way some some left-leaners on here constantly do. Some are so obsessed with their hatred of a newspaper and so pedicable you are just waiting for the inevitable 'tantrum'. It's so boring.

I still feel there is evidence to suggest the MP's killer maybe mentally ill. That in no way lessens the horror of his crime, but it certainly needs to be completely ruled out first. Either way he will be taken off the streets to keep the rest of us safe.

I don't believe comparing him to the killers of Lee Rigby is constructive. I think these cases were entirely different with the former posing much more of a risk to our society in general. They are religous zealots ( and I use the word 'religous' very loosely) as their idea of religion is power and control. I feel the other is simply one of society's mis-fits, for whatever reason, making any kind of comparison fruitless.

It is entirely apt to draw a comparison between the two as Lee Rigbys killers did so not due to any religious extremism but as a reaction to British foreign policy.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The title of this thread is when is a terrorist not a terrorist, it is perfectly in order to point out if someone sees it that way, that the murderers of Lee Rigby were terrorists, thereby then making a conclusion as to if they see this man Mair as one too.

In both cases, the victims were not just murdered, they were brutally murdered with no chance to defend themselves, both were just doing their jobs in and for the UK and in their careers, they were both murdered for what they stood for and believed in.

No trace or mention of mental illness offered officially at their trials and all would have been seen be medical staff.
I see a strong connection as to the 2, both victims of the establishment one a serving Soldier another a serving MP.
he is a terrorist, pure and simple in my book, no matter ow you may want to dress him up as even just maybe, not certainly, mentally ill.

I still say that is an affront to people who are genuinely mentally ill, that savage pre-meditated murderers like this have anyone soiling the illness, by claiming that is part of the reason for their vile, savage and planned actions.

Mental illness comes in all shapes and sizes, with violence often being a consequence. That is in no way saying that everyione with mental illness is violent or dangerous or that those that are are necessarily responsible for their actions. Every case is different. He may simply be an evil 'b****rd', but still not convinced this makes him a 'terrorist'.

It is pretty obvious that the op has an agenda in attempting to state that not all terrorists are Muslims', but no one is saying they are. Of course there are plenty of non-Muslim terrorists, including white ones. But currently, in the West, those posing a threat to our way of life and causing widespread concern are. In my opinion, this makes the thread rather pointless.

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Mental illness comes in all shapes and sizes, with violence often being a consequence. That is in no way saying that everyione with mental illness is violent or dangerous or that those that are are necessarily responsible for their actions. Every case is different. He may simply be an evil 'b****rd', but still not convinced this makes him a 'terrorist'.

It is pretty obvious that the op has an agenda in attempting to state that not all terrorists are Muslims', but no one is saying they are. Of course there are plenty of non-Muslim terrorists, including white ones. But currently, in the West, those posing a threat to our way of life and causing widespread concern are. In my opinion, this makes the thread rather pointless.

great point and I will just point out - there is no difference from being mentally ill or having cancer - neither did the person ask for and as a caring society it is only right we look after and help as best we can.


I bring terror with my poems - am I a terrorist

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Mental illness comes in all shapes and sizes, with violence often being a consequence. That is in no way saying that everyione with mental illness is violent or dangerous or that those that are are necessarily responsible for their actions. Every case is different. He may simply be an evil 'b****rd', but still not convinced this makes him a 'terrorist'.

It is pretty obvious that the op has an agenda in attempting to state that not all terrorists are Muslims', but no one is saying they are. Of course there are plenty of non-Muslim terrorists, including white ones. But currently, in the West, those posing a threat to our way of life and causing widespread concern are. In my opinion, this makes the thread rather pointless.

I disagree I would say equal or greater is the rise of the supremacists, they are a threat to our human rights which we have founded our democracy on in modern times.
If you consider the thread pointless feel free to post elsewhere and allow those who wish to continue the debate to do so.