[Tom4784]

There should be a referendum for Scotland, it would be scandalous if Parliament tries to block it and it would likely only ensure that Scotland would leave when they eventually get their referendum.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

There should be a referendum for Scotland, it would be scandalous if Parliament tries to block it and it would likely only ensure that Scotland would leave when they eventually get their referendum.

So one rule for the Brexit referendum, You have said on many an occasion we made our bed now we must lie on it, but the Scots get a rerun even though they won't know what they are voting for priceless

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So one rule for the Brexit referendum, You have said on many an occasion we made our bed now we must lie on it, but the Scots get a rerun even though they won't know what they are voting for priceless

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So one rule for the Brexit referendum, You have said on many an occasion ion we made our bed now we must lie on it, but the Scots get a rerun even though they won't know what they are voting for priceless

The situation is completely different, the Scottish referendum was held prior to the EU Ref which pretty much showed the world that Scotland has no say in what happens in the union. The slogans that the 'in' side used 'Better Together' turned out to be 'Better as England's bitch'.

The consequences of leaving the EU were laid bare for all to see for months beforehand yet Leavers chose to make the wrong decision anyway, they deserve what they're gonna get but Scotland didn't vote to remain in the UK to have no say in what happens. I think it's very fair that they get a do-over because the situation has changed, Scotland has been thrust into uncertain waters through no choice of their own, I think NI are entitled to leave if they wish as well.

The EU situation hasn't changed, it was a bad prospect when Leave won and it's still a bad prospect now. To compare it to the Scottish Referendum is rather flawed logic because that situation has changed.

Keep trying, Cherie.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The situation is completely different, the Scottish referendum was held prior to the EU Ref which pretty much showed the world that Scotland has no say in what happens in the union. The slogans that the 'in' side used 'Better Together' turned out to be 'Better as England's bitch'.

The consequences of leaving the EU were laid bare for all to see for months beforehand yet Leavers chose to make the wrong decision anyway, they deserve what they're gonna get but Scotland didn't vote to remain in the UK to have no say in what happens. I think it's very fair that they get a do-over because the situation has changed, Scotland has been thrust into uncertain waters through no choice of their own, I think NI are entitled to leave if they wish as well.

The EU situation hasn't changed, it was a bad prospect when Leave won and it's still a bad prospect now. To compare it to the Scottish Referendum is rather flawed logic because that situation has changed.

Keep trying, Cherie.

The situation hasn't changed in Scotland, there was never any misunderstanding that they were voting to stay in the U.K. and that any future decisions would be taken by the UK as a whole, yes the referendum was based on lies and misinformation from both sides, the EU vote was based on lies and misinformation from both sides, yet you only champion a Scottish rerun and you want NI to go it alone when the two main parties can't even agree on power sharing most of the time, you have no logic at all

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The situation hasn't changed in Scotland, there was never any misunderstanding that they were voting to stay in the U.K. and that any future decisions would be taken by the UK as a whole, yes the referendum was based on lies and misinformation from both sides, the EU vote was based on lies and misinformation from both sides, yet you only champion a Scottish rerun and you want NI to go it alone when the two main parties can't even agree on power sharing most of the time, you have no logic at all

Of course the situation has changed, Brexit did not win by a majority. if the other three countries voted to leave then fair enough but in terms of countries it was split right down the middle and it was England's vote that swayed it.

Why should we expect Scotland to to stay with us when there's obviously an imbalance of influence in an union in which each country should be equal? Like Niamh said, it's utterly hypocritical to make Scotland stay when the Brexit supporters apparently voted to leave because they didn't want to live under EU 'rule' anymore (It was immigration, let's be real.). It's the same situation.

I don't support an EU rerun because it was obvious to anyone that wasn't wilfully ignorant what was going to happen if Leave won. People who make bad decisions deserve to face the consequences but the result of Scotland Ref, at the time, wasn't a bad decision. It was the only decision really but that decision has turned sour through no fault of Scotland's which I believe means they should get another shot at deciding whether or not they want independence. If they stay then they face the consequences with eyes open like the rest of us.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The situation is completely different, the Scottish referendum was held prior to the EU Ref which pretty much showed the world that Scotland has no say in what happens in the union. The slogans that the 'in' side used 'Better Together' turned out to be 'Better as England's bitch'.

The consequences of leaving the EU were laid bare for all to see for months beforehand yet Leavers chose to make the wrong decision anyway, they deserve what they're gonna get but Scotland didn't vote to remain in the UK to have no say in what happens. I think it's very fair that they get a do-over because the situation has changed, Scotland has been thrust into uncertain waters through no choice of their own, I think NI are entitled to leave if they wish as well.

The EU situation hasn't changed, it was a bad prospect when Leave won and it's still a bad prospect now. To compare it to the Scottish Referendum is rather flawed logic because that situation has changed.

Keep trying, Cherie.

It's only a bad prospect if you believe that. The consequences of Brexit are an unknown quantity not a foregone conclusion so let's remember your opinion on this is opinion, not fact. Keep trying.

[Braden]

Roofliss.

[Tregard]

"They'd be being asked to make a decision without all the crucial information"

That's never been a problem in the past, Theresa

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Tregard

"They'd be being asked to make a decision without all the crucial information"

That's never been a problem in the past, Theresa

True

[Cherie]

Can London stay in the EU as we voted in as well? How's that for flawed logic

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Can London stay in the EU as we voted in as well? How's that for flawed logic

You see, Cherie. London is a city where as Scotland is a country. Do I REALLY have to explain the differences to you between the two and why a city becoming independent is a world apart than a country?

[Cherie]

[QUOTE=Dezzy;9252805]You see, Cherie. London is a city where as Scotland is a country. Do I REALLY have to explain the differences to you between the two and why a city becoming independent is a world apart than a country?



[/The capital was shown to be monumentaly out-of-step wit the rest of Britain after largely voting Remain while the nation voted to Leave the EU.

But today the disconnect was heightened further as London's army of Bremain-backing resident called on the city's new mayor Sadiq Khan, to declare Greater London and its nine

million population an independent state.

Breakaway campaigners then want London to join Scotland in a new referendum which would allow them to re-join the EU.

So far, nearly 65,000 people have signed a petition asking Labour's Mr Khan "to declare London independent, and apply to join the EU".

It goes on to ask Mr Khan to "make the divorce official and move in with our friends on the continent".

[arista]

"now it's started again."

Yes and Scotland
can have a 2nd vote after the UK
is fully out of the EU.
Not before.

[user104658]

I suppose doing it after brexit is done and dusted isn't a terrible idea. If it really is the "great British promised land" then we can stay... And if it's as **** as any unbiased economist thinks it will be then we'll be desperate to leave and "out" will win by a landslide . Not a terrible scenario, I guess. In truth I don't think enough has changed yet for the voting percentages to be much different; I think there would be a small shift but it would only be maybe 53% to 47% (remain in UK still winning). After Brexit, when the UK is floundering and Scotland (and the north of England) is being thrown under the bus as London closes ranks to protect itself, people might actually wake up and realise where they sit in the Tory / Westminster pecking order.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I suppose doing it after brexit is done and dusted isn't a terrible idea. If it really is the "great British promised land" then we can stay... And if it's as **** as any unbiased economist thinks it will be then we'll be desperate to leave and "out" will win by a landslide . Not a terrible scenario, I guess. In truth I don't think enough has changed yet for the voting percentages to be much different; I think there would be a small shift but it would only be maybe 53% to 47% (remain in UK still winning). After Brexit, when the UK is floundering and Scotland (and the north of England) is being thrown under the bus as London closes ranks to protect itself, people might actually wake up and realise where they sit in the Tory / Westminster pecking order.

How convenient that all the unbiased economists are opposed to Brexit and apparently predict gloom and doom. Do you know them all personally TS?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jaxie

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-39293513

The PM is right. This not the time. They had a referendum not long ago and many Scott's don't want it.

Sturgeon is trying to take advantage of Brexit hoping that any hostility against Brexit will emerge with a vote in favour of Scottish independence. She is nothing if not totally transparent.

[Scarlett.]

Brexiteers getting up in arms about a union between countries possibly ending?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Brexiteers getting up in arms about a union between countries possibly ending?

Not at all first I didn't vote for Brexit, I am happy for a 2nd ref to take place just not at the time Nicola wants its, once the deal is done or not done or however it turns out, Nicola can have it after that

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not at all first I didn't vote for Brexit, I am happy for a 2nd ref to take place just not at the time Nicola wants its, once the deal is done or not done or however it turns out, Nicola can have it after that

This for Me too.

[Northern Monkey]

'An independent Scotland would have to join the back of the queue if it wanted to rejoin the E U, the Spanish foreign minister has said.

Responding to Monday’s announcement from Scotland’s first minister, Nicola Sturgeon, that she intends to hold a second independence referendum , Alfonso Dastis said Spain was opposed to the fracturing of the UK.'

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...ck-of-eu-queue

[Kizzy]

Is this why you came into the thread, to disagree with my stance ladies?...

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Is this why you came into the thread, to disagree with my stance ladies?...

Why else?

[Niamh.]

The world is square and that's the end of it

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The world is square and that's the end of it

I'd say more oblong....