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Cherie · 10-05-2017, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

In England people would probably complain about people "scrounging" organs and that if they had worked harder they would be able to pay for their own organs.

wouldn't that happen in Scotland as well

Alf · 10-05-2017, 12:18 PM

There's only one organ of mine that everybody wants.

I'll give you a clue

Spoiler:

Denver · 10-05-2017, 12:22 PM

More like Tadpole

Alf · 10-05-2017, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam.

More like Tadpole

Have you been spying on me?

Denver · 10-05-2017, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf

Have you been spying on me?

Josy told me

Cherie · 10-05-2017, 01:06 PM

its a good idea most people would do it but don't get round to filling in the forms, if you are really anti, you will opt out.

user104658 · 10-05-2017, 12:32 PM

It's how it should be... if you ask people, the vast majority say they would happily donate organs when they die. But then if you follow up that question with "and are you on the organ donation register?"... most are not, simply because it doesn't occur to most people to sign up.

Anyone who feels strongly enough about not donating will surely opt out straight away? If they don't... well then you sort of have to assume that they weren't all THAT bothered about it.

Livia · 10-05-2017, 01:53 PM

I'm all for having to opt out, rather than opting in. When someone dies it's not the ideal time to ask someone if you can have their loved ones' organs.

Niamh. · 10-05-2017, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

I'm all for having to opt out, rather than opting in. When someone dies it's not the ideal time to ask someone if you can have their loved ones' organs.

Yeah and I think people need to look at this from both angles not just the donator or parent of a donator but imagine you were the one needing an organ or your child was the one needing an organ

Withano · 10-05-2017, 01:56 PM

Good. In my probably controversial opinion. There is no reason to not be an organ donor

Kizzy · 10-05-2017, 02:52 PM

I used to think this was a good idea.. now I don't, I believe in choice.
Don't get me wrong I want everyone to be an organ donor, but make that decision as a conscious living person, having said that the next of kin could be asked if there is no donor card (as they are now I believe)
But nothing should be indiscriminately harvested.

Niamh. · 10-05-2017, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

I used to think this was a good idea.. now I don't, I believe in choice.
Don't get me wrong I want everyone to be an organ donor, but make that decision as a conscious living person, having said that the next of kin could be asked if there is no donor card (as they are now I believe)
But nothing should be indiscriminately harvested.

You would still have a choice though, you could choose to opt out

Kizzy · 10-05-2017, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

You would still have a choice though, you could choose to opt out

That is not a choice.... You choose to do things or not, it shouldn't be presumed by a lack of action that you are complicit.

And should the system fail, will it be presumed you opted in or out?

Niamh. · 10-05-2017, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

That is not a choice.... You choose to do things or not, it shouldn't be presumed by a lack of action that you are complicit.

And should the system fail, will it be presumed you opted in or out?

It is a choice though, it's the same choice as now except the new way saves more peoples lives.

Re the BIB, I have no idea and honestly I couldn't care less. I'm sure a family member could decide if that were the case. And if you have none? well you're never going to know either way anyway because you're dead

Kizzy · 10-05-2017, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

It is a choice though, it's the same choice as now except the new way saves more peoples lives.

It's not the same choice as now... If you opt in it is purely your decision, by having to opt out if you don't act then you are presumed complicit whether or not you were.

To have a organ ready for transplant it has to be harvested and prepped asap, one worry would be that you would be being prepped for organ removal before you yourself were dead, if you were not sufficiently viable. :/

user104658 · 10-05-2017, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

I used to think this was a good idea.. now I don't, I believe in choice.
Don't get me wrong I want everyone to be an organ donor, but make that decision as a conscious living person, having said that the next of kin could be asked if there is no donor card (as they are now I believe)
But nothing should be indiscriminately harvested.

You do have the choice... You can make that decision while alive. So long as it's not a "stealthy" thing (i.e. It's normal general knowledge that you have to opt out) and the opt out process is a simple one, then it shouldn't be an issue. If it's families opting out for religious reasons, I get that it's not a simple thing as no one wants to even think about their kids donating organs so could be upsetting to have to opt out on a child's behalf SO - simple solution - just have a child's opt out status linked to their parents until age 18. If either parent is opted out then the child is opted out by default. At 18 they can then opt in if they want to.

Or even make it that it only applies to over 18's, and with under 18's it's always a case of seeking permission from next of kin as it is currently.

Over 18's though... Anyone who feels strongly enough about it surely isn't going to just "forget to opt out"

. If it's a case of having time to do so (e.g. Someone dies just after their 18th birthday, or just after moving to the country) just have some sort of "buffer" period before automatic opt in, say 6 months...

Tom4784 · 10-05-2017, 03:08 PM

When I die, take what's useful and throw what's left in a ditch somewhere. I'm not gonna care at that point.

Kizzy · 10-05-2017, 04:17 PM

How about applying the question to official documents instead, say your tax or nat ins ones? I'd say that was a better way.

Nothing is certain, except death...and taxes

user104658 · 10-05-2017, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

How about applying the question to official documents instead, say your tax or nat ins ones? I'd say that was a better way.

Nothing is certain, except death...and taxes

Can't say I've ever filled in anything about tax or NI, though. You only really do those documents if self-employed, otherwise it's all PAYE and you never see any of it (other than on your payslip).

Kizzy · 10-05-2017, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Can't say I've ever filled in anything about tax or NI, though. You only really do those documents if self-employed, otherwise it's all PAYE and you never see any of it (other than on your payslip).

Council tax?...

user104658 · 10-05-2017, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Council tax?...

I've never filled in a form for that either, they just plonk a big fat bill on the mat

Niamh. · 10-05-2017, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

How about applying the question to official documents instead, say your tax or nat ins ones? I'd say that was a better way.

Nothing is certain, except death...and taxes

As far as I'm aware I cant opt out of taxes . . . Unfortunately