[Greg!]

King!

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

This is all very typical 'facebook' logic.

I imagine if you are being called those things then it's for more than simply supporting Brexit and your second sentence is simply silly and inflammatory rather than logical. Hate crimes and sex crimes are not comparable, life is not some sort of Police Procedural drama where the same officers will deal with all kinds of crimes. Different crimes are investigated and solved by different units. Idiotic hate crimes are usually easy to solve since the people who commit them are not very bright, it's often a case of consulting the CCTV to get an identification.

Things like rape gangs and sex rings are more organised and harder to break. They require more time and investigation to compare what is essentially an organised crime to yobs that aren't smart enough to cover their faces when they commit their crimes. They are not the same.

Honestly, this should be common sense.

Hate crime is just a word, that has been made up in recent years, to control.

There's no such thing, a crime is called, a crime, the hate word has just been added by people who are anti-equality.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Sorry Jack but I disagree with a lot of that. Look how PC has encroached on Western society with aggression and put-downs being a common response to any opposition to political correctness. PC is against free speech in one breath but stifles it in another. That double standard hypocrisy constantly winds me up.

Much as I dislike the likes of Gina Miller I would never condone harrassment or threats as that is always unacceptable from both sides. You will always get that element on both sides of the political agenda. To suggest the Remain campaign/voters are the 'good guys' and the Leave 'campaigners/voters the 'bad guys' is blinkered.

Just like you often get a lot of violence etc at many kinds of marches and protests - such behaviour usually comes from opportunist thugs just seizing the chance to cause trouble and intimidate people. The organisers of such events often complain how it wasn't their supporters causing the problems but opportunist thugs. The same probably applies to those making such threats. Assumptions are being made on a mass scale here. In my experience those who have an interest in politics aren't generally thugs.

Judging by the response of many 'remoaners' with some even disrespecting a public vote, and therefore democracy, by attempting to overturn the vote speaks volumes and demonstrates what lengths they will go to to try and get their own way.

There are no innocents in politics.

Says the person using the term PC as an aggressive put down...

Dismissing the fears of 16 million people as moaning is disrespectful, this media driven rudeness is the reason why remain voters don't feel confident airing any opinions as they are immediately dismissed in this irrational manner.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Can't be bothered - people can read.

So you can't turn it around like you said and you're basically giving up without admitting to giving up. Okay.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Alf

Hate crime is just a word, that has been made up in recent years, to control.

There's no such thing, a crime is called, a crime, the hate word has just been added by people who are anti-equality.

It's a descriptor, like cyber crime or car crime... :/

[Nicky91]

why does Harry Styles have to mention his opinion on something like this

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Says the person using the term PC as an aggressive put down...

Dismissing the fears of 16 million people as moaning is disrespectful, this media driven rudeness is the reason why remain voters don't feel confident airing any opinions as they are immediately dismissed in this irrational manner.

PC is just an abbreviation for politically correct - is that not the definition in the dictionary?

Kizzy, I think we have all pretty much established that most of us have felt uncomfortable and hesitant of airing our views for fear of dismissal at some time or another on here - it is not exclusive to those on one side of the argument.

Speaking personally I know that I react to such 'stifling' as I suspect most do. It is a natural response to put-downs, name-calling etc and as long as those on one side do it those on the other will likely do so too - a game of ping-pong.

I can't see things changing somehow.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

why does Harry Styles have to mention his opinion on something like this

He thinks he is important. He's a teeny bopper 'star'.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

Hate crime is just a word, that has been made up in recent years, to control.

There's no such thing, a crime is called, a crime, the hate word has just been added by people who are anti-equality.

Hate Crime has been a thing in the UK for 31 years, it's hardly a recent thing... And yes, it IS a thing. It's honestly quite worrying that you deny it's existence never mind the fact that you believe it to be a method of control... The fact that you believe that Hate Crimes don't exist and that, if they did the fact they would criminalise behaviours associated with it as 'anti-equality' is quite astounding.

Honestly, I can understand why people are throwing those accusations at you in your previous post when you make ignorant statements such as this.

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Alf

Doesn't surprise me, middle-class isn't he?

No

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Hate Crime has been a thing in the UK for 31 years, it's hardly a recent thing... And yes, it IS a thing. It's honestly quite worrying that you deny it's existence never mind the fact that you believe it to be a method of control... The fact that you believe that Hate Crimes don't exist and that, if they did the fact they would criminalise behaviours associated with it as 'anti-equality' is quite astounding.

Honestly, I can understand why people are throwing those accusations at you in your previous post when you make ignorant statements such as this.

Ignorant? what am I ignoring?

I'm not the one ignoring grooming paedophile rape gangs, because I don't want to be called names.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Greg!

No

Is he not?

I was only guessing, that's why I asked.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

He thinks he is important. He's a teeny bopper 'star'.

yeah, he really isn't


i also don't really like his song sign of the times, it reminds me a bit of space oddity and life on mars, in the instrumentals


Harry ''overrated celebrity'' Styles

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Hate Crime has been a thing in the UK for 31 years, it's hardly a recent thing... And yes, it IS a thing. It's honestly quite worrying that you deny it's existence never mind the fact that you believe it to be a method of control... The fact that you believe that Hate Crimes don't exist and that, if they did the fact they would criminalise behaviours associated with it as 'anti-equality' is quite astounding.

Honestly, I can understand why people are throwing those accusations at you in your previous post when you make ignorant statements such as this.

Hate crimes come from all quarters, let's not pretend it is exclusive to those of one particular viewpoint. They usually have more to do with the individual than any political views.

It is what is labelled as a 'hate crime' that counts. The word 'hate' is thrown around very selectively by some which waters down its meaning. Those doing all the throwing are therefore responsible for that.

Opposing immigration for instance is not in itself 'hate' - how they go about opposing it may be. How someone opposes anyone that expresses such an opinion could also be 'hate'. These things need to be proven - just saying it means nothing.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Opposing immigration for instance is not in itself 'hate' - how they go about opposing it may be. How someone opposes anyone that expresses such an opinion could also be 'hate'. These things need to be proven - just saying it means nothing.

This genuinely sounds like you cant differentiate between an actual hate crime, and a lefty having a tiff with a righty on the internet. You might wanna clear that up real quick.

[Marsh.]

Brexit heavily influenced his new album

Of course it did.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

This genuinely sounds like you cant differentiate between an actual hate crime, and a lefty having a tiff with a righty on the internet. You might wanna clear that up real quick.

Well you would say that!

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Of course it did.

yeah maybe he would get less money with brexit

but also we aren't complaining about 1Dxit anymore

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

1Dxit

excellent

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Withano

excellent

yeah Zayn is also actually a much better singer than young mr styles ever will be


I quite adore PillowTalk and I don't wanna live forever of Fifty Shades darker

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Anyone from One Direction should not be taken seriously

Says Adam from TiBB

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Alf

Hate crime is just a word, that has been made up in recent years, to control.

There's no such thing, a crime is called, a crime, the hate word has just been added by people who are anti-equality.

Bullsiht. When I saw that pregnant African woman who had a small child with her, being shouted at by a racist bigot, that was both hate and a crime (bias-motivated crime). Its not a crime to shout at someone but it is a crime to shout racial slurs at someone. The word "hate" or "bias motivated" is just a description on the sort of crime it comes under.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Opposing immigration for instance is not in itself 'hate' - how they go about opposing it may be. How someone opposes anyone that expresses such an opinion could also be 'hate'. These things need to be proven - just saying it means nothing.

If you heard a person on the bus having a real unrevoked rant at a Muslim man, suggesting he was a potential terrorist; would you consider that a hate crime?

If the police stepped on the bus and the Muslim man reported this other persons outburst, would you stand in as a witness on the side of the Muslim man?

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

Says Adam from TiBB

Did i lie though

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

He thinks he is important. He's a teeny bopper 'star'.

Or he's just entitled to his opinion like everyone else? Not a surprise to see you trying to shut it down though.