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Alf · 31-05-2017, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chewy

Well go and start some Tory smear threads, if it annoys you that much. Nobody's stopping you.

Scarlett. · 31-05-2017, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf

Well go and start some Tory smear threads, if it annoys you that much. Nobody's stopping you.

Nope, would rather focus on Labour's good points than spend all my time trying to discredit the other side.

Withano · 31-05-2017, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chewy

point excellently made

the truth · 31-05-2017, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano

point excellently made

pointless more like

Niamh. · 31-05-2017, 01:08 PM

deleted some posts in here, for the love of the gods, can you all please stop with the personal attacks and insults and stay on topic

DemolitionRed · 31-05-2017, 04:40 PM

The Conservatives have made a huge mess of things and the only way to stop them is to get them out.

My dog walker is also a support worker. She works nights and then walks half a dozen dogs mid afternoon. She wants to build the dog walking business up because she can't afford to live off the minimum wage she receives as a support worker. She told me that before she started dog walking she couldn't financially get through the month, even though she was working a 50 hour week.
Yesterday I asked her who she was going to vote for (cheeky I know) and she said, without hesitation that she'd be voting for the Tory Party. I asked her why and she said, "because Corbyn is a liar". I asked her why she thought this and she said she reads bad stuff about him every day in the paper... Yes, of course I asked her what paper she read!!

People like her have been doubly fcuked over by the Tories but people like her have little understanding of politics or why she's had to suffer and work long ridiculous hours for a pittance. Many like her will vote for the Tories and that's why they will get back in and that's why people like her will keep on struggling.

the truth · 31-05-2017, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The Conservatives have made a huge mess of things and the only way to stop them is to get them out.

My dog walker is also a support worker. She works nights and then walks half a dozen dogs mid afternoon. She wants to build the dog walking business up because she can't afford to live off the minimum wage she receives as a support worker. She told me that before she started dog walking she couldn't financially get through the month, even though she was working a 50 hour week.
Yesterday I asked her who she was going to vote for (cheeky I know) and she said, without hesitation that she'd be voting for the Tory Party. I asked her why and she said, "because Corbyn is a liar". I asked her why she thought this and she said she reads bad stuff about him every day in the paper... Yes, of course I asked her what paper she read!!

People like her have been doubly fcuked over by the Tories but people like her have little understanding of politics or why she's had to suffer and work long ridiculous hours for a pittance. Many like her will vote for the Tories and that's why they will get back in and that's why people like her will keep on struggling.

Yea yea anything bad said about labour is the daily mails fault lol heard that guff a zillion times, its total nonsense...labour destroyed the economy, there were 2 more unemployed, the nhs was the filthiest and cruellest in history, with record abuses, record cover ups, record mrsa, record people being abused and starved to death, record middle management jobs, record pay levels, then the labour party allowed 90% of all gp doctors to opt out of out of hours work and dentists too..genius...they sold our gold dirt cheap, they deregulated the banks which helped make our crash worse than anyones, they overswa the housing bubble, allowed mega banking mergers, all of which were a disaster, they encouraged and rewarded the breed for benefits culture was rife, a million innocents were killed in iraq on a pack of lies, the local councils were allowed to run millions over budget, they didnt even arm our troops properly and closed down nearly every military hospital. they took away civil liberties, fostered terrorism, opened our borders to an increase of 7 million rise in 13 years ...sold us out to europe too...DEMAND all small businesses pay £12 an hour minimum wage to unskilled workers across the uk when every area has massively different levels of income their one size fits all hard line stance on wages will destroy 100s of businesses and millions of jobs..theyve .saddled our kids with trillions plus of debts and now they want to repeat it all....they ALWAYS RUN OUT OF OTHER PEOPLES MONEY

The evil tories have reduced unemployment to record low, created more jobs than the rest of europe put together (Only 1 million of the 30 odd million jobs are zero hours so lets not have the left exaggerate that) record high levels of employment, theyve righly limited benefits to 25,000 per person, they DO subsidise houses in england with various house share schemes, the stock market is booming, the steel industry is booming, gdp growth has grown and exceeded predictions, they democratically allowed us the brexit vote, unlike labour, who sold us out without even aksing the public. labour wanting us to ditch the pound and join the euro too..theyre a bunch of traitors
the deficit is down too....They spend more per head than nhs wales which is behind england on nearly every measure...nhs wales is a disaster, it really really is, they miss almost every target, theyre beind in almost all areas. its a sorry mess.

ah those cruel nasty tories giving us a better nhs better economy, more jobs, less debts, more opportunities, a democratic vote, evil scum...far better to vote santa corbyn who promises the earth (on his credit card and cant deliver pizza

Beso · 31-05-2017, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The Conservatives have made a huge mess of things and the only way to stop them is to get them out.

My dog walker is also a support worker. She works nights and then walks half a dozen dogs mid afternoon. She wants to build the dog walking business up because she can't afford to live off the minimum wage she receives as a support worker. She told me that before she started dog walking she couldn't financially get through the month, even though she was working a 50 hour week.
Yesterday I asked her who she was going to vote for (cheeky I know) and she said, without hesitation that she'd be voting for the Tory Party. I asked her why and she said, "because Corbyn is a liar". I asked her why she thought this and she said she reads bad stuff about him every day in the paper... Yes, of course I asked her what paper she read!!

People like her have been doubly fcuked over by the Tories but people like her have little understanding of politics or why she's had to suffer and work long ridiculous hours for a pittance. Many like her will vote for the Tories and that's why they will get back in and that's why people like her will keep on struggling.

You need to tell her that her employer is breaking the law by getting her to work 50 hours a week.

smudgie · 31-05-2017, 05:08 PM

Well at least they can't sell our gold off cheap this time.

smudgie · 31-05-2017, 07:13 PM

In answer to the original question.
YES

joeysteele · 31-05-2017, 07:21 PM

No, they won't.
That's more likely from the Cons.

Kizzy · 31-05-2017, 07:30 PM

It's strange how during a worldwide recession the national debt was half what it is now despite all our 'austerity' ....

Tom4784 · 31-05-2017, 09:15 PM

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It's strange how during a worldwide recession the national debt was half what it is now despite all our 'austerity' ....

You aren't allowed to point out facts that don't villify Labour, Kizzy!

the truth · 31-05-2017, 09:17 PM

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You aren't allowed to point out facts that don't villify Labour, Kizzy!

lies

jaxie · 01-06-2017, 07:42 AM

I believe a labour win would ruin the economy and I think they would totally cave in to the EU on Brexit and do everything the EU demand. However I do like what they have said about making it fair for families to be together re immigration. But then I would because I have a family member who loves someone from a country outside the EU.

Tom4784 · 01-06-2017, 12:54 PM

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I believe a labour win would ruin the economy and I think they would totally cave in to the EU on Brexit and do everything the EU demand. However I do like what they have said about making it fair for families to be together re immigration. But then I would because I have a family member who loves someone from a country outside the EU.

You'll get a better chance at the brexit you want with Corbyn, someone who actually wanted to leave but couldn't due to his party's views than with May who never wanted to leave in the first place but went with it 'cus it would benefit her in the long run and is proven to u-turn at the drop of a hat.

Corbyn wanted brexit, May did not.

jaxie · 01-06-2017, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

You'll get a better chance at the brexit you want with Corbyn, someone who actually wanted to leave but couldn't due to his party's views than with May who never wanted to leave in the first place but went with it 'cus it would benefit her in the long run and is proven to u-turn at the drop of a hat.

Corbyn wanted brexit, May did not.

I don't think so because I believe that on the whole Labour are appeasers.

Tom4784 · 01-06-2017, 04:02 PM

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I don't think so because I believe that on the whole Labour are appeasers.

Based on what? May has literally folded or u-turned on pretty much every stance she's put forward, do you honestly believe she'll not fold on Brexit?

Corbyn at least knows what he wants, he wanted brexit all along and he'd be more likely to fight for it.

jaxie · 01-06-2017, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Based on what? May has literally folded or u-turned on pretty much every stance she's put forward, do you honestly believe she'll not fold on Brexit?

Corbyn at least knows what he wants, he wanted brexit all along and he'd be more likely to fight for it.

Based on many things I've heard Labour and Corbyn say in relation to Brexit.

DemolitionRed · 01-06-2017, 01:21 PM

Its looking very much like a hung parliament at the moment. I bet Mayhap was wishing she'd never started this!.

jaxie · 01-06-2017, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Its looking very much like a hung parliament at the moment. I bet Mayhap was wishing she'd never started this!.

I think she has wildly misjudged it with regard to the dropping off of support based on her policies. She forgot that no matter how popular you seem that can change if you choose policies that are not popular with the public. Needed more homework done.

Having said that I'll still be surprised if she doesn't win.

user104658 · 01-06-2017, 03:08 PM

Tories completely misjudged Brexit, so strongly believing that it would be a "no" that they called the referrendum with absolutely no plan in place for an "Out" vote.

Tories have now called for a GE at a crucial time in that Brexit process, so confident they were of a landslide majority, AGAIN failing to consider the chaos that will be caused by a hung parliament if they are wrong.

Strong and stable. What a ****ing joke. "Overconfident and stubborn" would be more accurate.

jaxie · 01-06-2017, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Tories completely misjudged Brexit, so strongly believing that it would be a "no" that they called the referrendum with absolutely no plan in place for an "Out" vote.

Tories have now called for a GE at a crucial time in that Brexit process, so confident they were of a landslide majority, AGAIN failing to consider the chaos that will be caused by a hung parliament if they are wrong.

Strong and stable. What a ****ing joke. "Overconfident and stubborn" would be more accurate.

I'm not entirely disagreeing but there were also many who were saying to anyone who'd listen, including people on this forum, that she wasn't elected, that a general election was needed, that she didn't have a proper mandate, etc etc.

user104658 · 01-06-2017, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm not entirely disagreeing but there were also many who were saying to anyone who'd listen, including people on this forum, that she wasn't elected, that a general election was needed, that she didn't have a proper mandate, etc etc.

The issue isn't really whether or not these votes have been needed or it's right to have them, though... The issue is that they are repeatedly assuming that they can predict the outcome of the vote before they call for it. So all of their plans are focused on their assumed outcome, without any safetynets or contingencies in place for alternative outcomes.

It's overconfidence, arrogance and complacency. Several high profile members of the party - including David Cameron himself - were badly burned by exactly that last summer and you would assume / hope those who opportunistically jumped in to take up those roles would actually have learned from those mistakes... But there's little sign of that. If anything, the apparently collapsing labour party and polls showing "landslide majority" have lead the Tories to feel practically invincible. Even talking up the most distasteful and similtaneously pointless of old-tory policies like fox hunting, as they were under the impression that nothing could even put a dent in their lead.

jaxie · 01-06-2017, 04:01 PM

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The issue isn't really whether or not these votes have been needed or it's right to have them, though... The issue is that they are repeatedly assuming that they can predict the outcome of the vote before they call for it. So all of their plans are focused on their assumed outcome, without any safetynets or contingencies in place for alternative outcomes.

It's overconfidence, arrogance and complacency. Several high profile members of the party - including David Cameron himself - were badly burned by exactly that last summer and you would assume / hope those who opportunistically jumped in to take up those roles would actually have learned from those mistakes... But there's little sign of that. If anything, the apparently collapsing labour party and polls showing "landslide majority" have lead the Tories to feel practically invincible. Even talking up the most distasteful and similtaneously pointless of old-tory policies like fox hunting, as they were under the impression that nothing could even put a dent in their lead.

In regards the referendum of course there should have been a plan for a leave outcome and clearly there wasn't. But a general election is a very different beast, not sure how you have a back up plan for that.

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