[Brother Leon]

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...=facebook-post

150 000 new members signed up recently. Now there are about 800 000 of us!

I wonder if we will wind up with 1 million?

If it's the Independant telling that news I wouldn't be so quick to believe it.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

If it's the Independant telling that news I wouldn't be so quick to believe it.

No, its an official government figure but if you want to look, you will need to go The House of Commons Library and download 'Briefing Paper' Number SN05125

[bots]

[Crimson Dynamo]

and i would wager an awful lot of them cannot remember living under a socialist government

[Jack_]

People mocking others when they themselves voted for a party to kill the disabled and continue to allow women to be abused in detention centres

I've seen it all now

[DemolitionRed]

I'm not going to keep on squabbling here because when people make ridiculous statements like, "an awful lot of them cannot remember living under a socialist government" I just want to scream with frustration. There is no logic whatsoever to comments like that.

My final word on this is, as classical Social Democrat. There's nothing particularly leftist about him at all. What Corbyn wants to do is to return significant government spending to those centrist ideals that he, and so many of us, have. Things like a properly funded NHS, Free University Tuition.

What Corbyn wants to do is to return government spending to the priorities of the old Labour Party; the goal being to increase the overall social wage, increase egalitarianism and to ensure that society as a whole benefits from the actions of government. Jeremy Corbyn has announced we don't want a centre-right conservative party pretending to be labour we want to go back to the social democracy of the centre-left, and as you see with the General Election that has been met with huge support. In addition 150,000 people have joined the Labour Party in the last week and that is added to the huge number who joined when Corbyn became leader, which included former labour members who left under Blair, and people like me who previously were politically active but never with the labour party.

[James]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...=facebook-post

150 000 new members signed up recently. Now there are about 800 000 of us!

I wonder if we will wind up with 1 million?

False claim that Labour membership surged by 150,000 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-40251890

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by James

False claim that Labour membership surged by 150,000 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-40251890

simple typo, adding a nought.
I think not.

[the truth]

mostly deluded greedy students expecting hand outs for doing nothing from santa corbyns magic money tree

[Jack_]

The evidence emerging over the last few days is signalling that in actual fact the supposed 'youth surge' may not be the only (or indeed primary) reason for Labour's turnaround. Indeed, Labour led among everyone under 50, youth turnout was at 57% (and not the reported 72%), and furthermore, a higher proportion of youths voted Labour in 2015 than they did this year. So it seems they did a pretty good job of attracting a variation of voters...doesn't give much credence to students searching for 'freebies' argument does it.

But since we're here, speaking of education:

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The evidence emerging over the last few days is signalling that in actual fact the supposed 'youth surge' may not be the only (or indeed primary) reason for Labour's turnaround. Indeed, Labour led among everyone under 50, youth turnout was at 57% (and not the reported 72%), and furthermore, a higher proportion of youths voted Labour in 2015 than they did this year. So it seems they did a pretty good job of attracting a variation of voters...doesn't give much credence to students searching for 'freebies' argument does it.

But since we're here, speaking of education:

I saw this coming but didnt say anthing incase I got banned haha. The average debate (not every debate) on the election from all over social media didn't seem divided by age as much... seemed divided by intelligence.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

I saw this coming but didnt say anthing incase I got banned haha. The average debate (not every debate) on the election from all over social media didn't seem divided by age as much... seemed divided by intelligence.

You wish!

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You wish!

Why would I wish that.
1. I have a long list of wishes.
2. something that is already true wouldn't need to be one of them.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

What happened in the greater part too Jack_ was that Theresa May,(not surprising since her judgement is atrocious anyway), the Cons and a good number of their more hardline supporters,totally underestimated Jeremy Corbyn and his campaigning abilities.

I really do now believe, whenever it comes,this election is not going to be forgotten by the electorate,so that the next one is extremely likely to result in a Labour led govt.
Even if Buffoon Boris is the new 'conning' Con leader.

Do you reckon Joey? I'm hesitant about Boris becoming their leader/PM, I'd like to think people have seen through the buffoon act these days and that he's exposed himself as a thirsty-for-power-at-any-cost charlatan, but I'm worried people would just buy into the ~HAHA isn't he hilarious lol~ stuff.

Mind you, if they get a more 'moderate' leader and water down their austerity programme, we're probably in the same kind of situation. All I'm hoping is that over the next few months/however long this parliament lasts, the Tories are exposed for the toxic, nasty party they are. Given the makeup of the Commons I'm inclined to think the Brexit disaster may prove to be a poisoned chalice, so hopefully it becomes what the 2008 crash was for Labour.

Originally Posted by Kazanne

This why I don't bother so much now brillo it's like all some are bothered about is scoring points and gloating,do they really care about the country or just getting one up on the opposition voters ,cant take people like that seriously that is no good for the country,

What? The reason I get so angry is precisely because I care about the future of this country, and what the Tories have been and are trying to do to it.

You know, for the past 18 months anyone that has supported Corbyn or indeed the Labour Party has been mocked and berated, the gloating has in fact come from those on the right, and it's still continuing. I have tried civilised debate, I've tried presenting evidence to attempt to justify my positions (I even did so in the other thread but you've ignored it), but all that happens is nobody listens. And the soundbites and the jibes continue. So why should I - or anyone else for that matter - bother being civilised anymore? Serious Debates on this forum is a complete ****heap, so if you can't beat them, join them.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Withano

I saw this coming but didnt say anthing incase I got banned haha. The average debate (not every debate) on the election from all over social media didn't seem divided by age as much... seemed divided by intelligence.

no based on a liberal left leaning education

[Withano]

Originally Posted by the truth

no based on a liberal left leaning education

So secondary school is right wing, college is central, and university is left?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Withano

So secondary school is right wing, college is central, and university is left?

nope its more left leaning pc liberal nonsense across the board

[James]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The evidence emerging over the last few days is signalling that in actual fact the supposed 'youth surge' may not be the only (or indeed primary) reason for Labour's turnaround. Indeed, Labour led among everyone under 50, youth turnout was at 57% (and not the reported 72%), and furthermore, a higher proportion of youths voted Labour in 2015 than they did this year. So it seems they did a pretty good job of attracting a variation of voters...doesn't give much credence to students searching for 'freebies' argument does it.

But since we're here, speaking of education:

The explanation for the educational difference is that Conservatives are getting votes more from the older generation, who were much less likely to have gone to university and got degrees. Only about 1 in 10 went to university in the 1960s. It's more like 40-50% in the 2000s.

And a lot of people back then (60s etc.) left school when they were 15, and that contributes to the figures about not have A-Levels etc.

[the truth]

yes students arebrainwashed with feminist revisionism, I know one girl with an A in history A level who had never heard of lloyd george, cant teach her than a pale male stale MAN actually gave women the vote....Oh and simplistic socialism, where those who screma loud enough and riot on the streets will get money for nothing... they know bugger all about the eocnomy or running businesses

[Crimson Dynamo]

without a tory party self destruction of epic proportions this election would have been a landslide

its nothing to do with labour

stand down

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

without a tory party self destruction of epic proportions this election would have been a landslide

its nothing to do with labour

stand down

The largest election-to-election increase in vote share since Attlee and 3.5m more votes doesn't just come at the expense of a pitiful opposition campaign. And indeed if that were true, the Tories wouldn't have increased their vote share either.

Try all you like you diminish the miraculous turnaround in fortunes of Labour thanks to their campaign, but I'm afraid you simply don't know what you're talking about.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The largest election-to-election increase in vote share since Attlee and 3.5m more votes doesn't just come at the expense of a pitiful opposition campaign. And indeed if that were true, the Tories wouldn't have increased their vote share either.

Try all you like you diminish the miraculous turnaround in fortunes of Labour thanks to their campaign, but I'm afraid you simply don't know what you're talking about.

What happened in the greater part too Jack_ was that Theresa May,(not surprising since her judgement is atrocious anyway), the Cons and a good number of their more hardline supporters,totally underestimated Jeremy Corbyn and his campaigning abilities.

I really do now believe, whenever it comes,this election is not going to be forgotten by the electorate,so that the next one is extremely likely to result in a Labour led govt.
Even if Buffoon Boris is the new 'conning' Con leader.

[user104658]

To be fair none of this can be easy on Tory voters... they've had over a year of puffing their chests and giggling like gossiping schoolgirls, and they were lead to believe that it was going to go on forever. Must be hard coming back down to earth with a bump.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair none of this can be easy on Tory voters... they've had over a year of puffing their chests and giggling like gossiping schoolgirls, and they were lead to believe that it was going to go on forever. Must be hard coming back down to earth with a bump.

Rather premature don't you think. If Corbyn can come back from being untouchable anyone can.