[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Spot on.

I have thought exactly that from the start: Chanelle and Raph's 'friendship' is not natural, it's purely tactical. They use each other.

All Charlotte did was point out the obvious!

Raph uses Chanelle for two reasons:
1. She is the alpha of the house.
2. She is a thorn cottage 'outsider'. BB expert Raph knows the outside group tend to do better, so he was ALWAYS going to put himself with the outsiders - WHOEVER they were.

Chanelle uses Raph for two reasons:
1. He strokes her massive ego, empowering her.
2. He is very good at extracting the gossip from the house, which he relays to her, like a drone bee bringing pollen back to the queen.

Charlotte is right: In real life they would not be friends. Even on a different BB with different people - Chanelle could easily be in the 'cool kids' crowd. In which case Raph would never be friends with her then.

I wonder if Chanelle had slept in Rose Cottage from the start - would her and Raph even be friends at all! I think it's all about convenience and Raph and her using each other. They are both manipulative in subtle, sly ways. As 'friends' they are TOTALLY mismatched.

For example: One thing we all know Raph dislikes is crude, derogatory language. He complained to Thorn Cottage when Lotan used the term 'bitch' in a joke for example. Yet Chanelle is the QUEEN of crude, derogatory language! More than anyone in there! Raph IGNORES in Chanelle ALL the traits he dislikes in others. This HAS to be tactical.

I can't stop thinking of Raph's BOTS audition where he said he uses his friendly smile to manipulate people and likes nothing more than 'crushing the souls of the popular people'.

Woah dude!

Spot on Robo

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Spot on Robo

Cheers Kaz, always a pleasure

[Littlegreen]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Spot on.

I have thought exactly that from the start: Chanelle and Raph's 'friendship' is not natural, it's purely tactical. They use each other.

All Charlotte did was point out the obvious!

Raph uses Chanelle for two reasons:
1. She is the alpha of the house.
2. She is a thorn cottage 'outsider'. BB expert Raph knows the outside group tend to do better, so he was ALWAYS going to put himself with the outsiders - WHOEVER they were.

Chanelle uses Raph for two reasons:
1. He strokes her massive ego, empowering her.
2. He is very good at extracting the gossip from the house, which he relays to her, like a drone bee bringing pollen back to the queen.

Charlotte is right: In real life they would not be friends. Even on a different BB with different people - Chanelle could easily be in the 'cool kids' crowd. In which case Raph would never be friends with her then.

I wonder if Chanelle had slept in Rose Cottage from the start - would her and Raph even be friends at all! I think it's all about convenience and Raph and her using each other. They are both manipulative in subtle, sly ways. As 'friends' they are TOTALLY mismatched.

For example: One thing we all know Raph dislikes is crude, derogatory language. He complained to Thorn Cottage when Lotan used the term 'bitch' in a joke for example. Yet Chanelle is the QUEEN of crude, derogatory language! More than anyone in there! Raph IGNORES in Chanelle ALL the traits he dislikes in others. This HAS to be tactical.

I can't stop thinking of Raph's BOTS audition where he said he uses his friendly smile to manipulate people and likes nothing more than 'crushing the souls of the popular people'.

Woah dude!

...or they have literally bonded because they sleep in the same bed and in BB these type of things happen?

[JTM45]

Perhaps we're finding out why they never bothered showing Charlotte before.

I know people who i consider extremely good friends that are from all kinds of backgrounds but Charlotte seemed to be saying (while trying to deny) that because they weren't from what she was stereotyping as ''different class levels'' that they would never remain friends outside the house.

She comes across as a very shallow and superficial girl.

I think this was just an attempt at picking holes in Raph's character. Maybe she's got some misguided notion that she can come through at the end as 'the real girl' and win it but she SADLY mistaken. 'Boring girl' who finishes in 6th is the very best she could possibly hope for i think.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Perhaps we're finding out why they never bothered showing Charlotte before.

I know people who i consider extremely good friends that are from all kinds of backgrounds but Charlotte seemed to be saying (while trying to deny) that because they weren't from what she was stereotyping as ''different class levels'' that they would never remain friends outside the house.

She comes across as a very shallow and superficial girl.

I think this was just an attempt at picking holes in Raph's character. Maybe she's got some misguided notion that she can come through at the end as 'the real girl' and win it but she SADLY mistaken. 'Boring girl' who finishes in 6th is the very best she could possibly hope for i think.

People who are different can still be friends. I don't see why not.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

People who are different can still be friends. I don't see why not.

Absolutely!

You learn far more from mixing with a broad variety of people than just sticking with similar people to yourself.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Absolutely!

You learn far more from mixing with a broad variety of people than just sticking with similar people to yourself.

Yeah that's fine on paper, but in reality it doesn't always work out

[Adamw92]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Perhaps we're finding out why they never bothered showing Charlotte before.

I know people who i consider extremely good friends that are from all kinds of backgrounds but Charlotte seemed to be saying (while trying to deny) that because they weren't from what she was stereotyping as ''different class levels'' that they would never remain friends outside the house.

She comes across as a very shallow and superficial girl.

I think this was just an attempt at picking holes in Raph's character. Maybe she's got some misguided notion that she can come through at the end as 'the real girl' and win it but she SADLY mistaken. 'Boring girl' who finishes in 6th is the very best she could possibly hope for i think.

Brilliant post

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Perhaps we're finding out why they never bothered showing Charlotte before.

I know people who i consider extremely good friends that are from all kinds of backgrounds but Charlotte seemed to be saying (while trying to deny) that because they weren't from what she was stereotyping as ''different class levels'' that they would never remain friends outside the house.

She comes across as a very shallow and superficial girl.

I think this was just an attempt at picking holes in Raph's character. Maybe she's got some misguided notion that she can come through at the end as 'the real girl' and win it but she SADLY mistaken. 'Boring girl' who finishes in 6th is the very best she could possibly hope for i think.

Except she had a point because Chanelle is pretty much everything Raph said he dislikes/avoids in his VT

[SteveG2688]

He wasnt very happy they excluded him from that moment they had in the bedroom so he had the arse with them all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Drag the whimp

[Vanessa]

Didn't she tell Chanelle off for talking behind her back? But it's OK if she does it?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Drag the whimp

Raph stopped them talking tonight don't worry.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Raph stopped them talking tonight don't worry.

They daren't say it to his face

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Well well well. I bet they won't tell any of this to his face.

Tbf it's apart of the game.

I do love Raph's strategy earlier on in the episode where he goes into the Diary Room talking about how Andrew is always honest to people's face, and then humiliated him at the end of the episode by Andrew going completely silent once Raph was out in the Garden.

BB should also punish Charlotte and Andrew for talking nominations, but I bet they won't.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf it's apart of the game.

I do love Raph's strategy earlier on in the episode where he goes into the Diary Room talking about how Andrew is always honest to people's face, and then humiliated him at the end of the episode by Andrew going completely silent once Raph was out in the Garden.

BB should also punish Charlotte and Andrew for talking nominations, but I bet they won't.

They really need to play this conversation to rye the house

[SarenaW]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

They really need to play this conversation to rye the house

AGREE! Punish them by playing this conversation... we should bombard BBUK twitter.

[chuff me dizzy]

Charlotte has him bang to rights !! she's not stupid that girl

[Paula D]

Tbf Hannah can be a grumpy cow but Andrew as usual overreacted.

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[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Well well well. I bet they won't tell any of this to his face.

So the four amigos..prompted by Hannah take themselves off into the bedroom to declare their allegiance...Hannah calling in Chanelle first then Raph in front of others making the others feel 'left out' of the cool gang. What a bunch of hypocrites.
Good job Tom didn't do that with Charlotte, Kieron and Ellie cos this forum would be in meltdown.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

So the four amigos..prompted by Hannah take themselves off into the bedroom to declare their allegiance...Hannah calling in Chanelle first then Raph in front of others making the others feel 'left out' of the cool gang. What a bunch of hypocrites.
Good job Tom didn't do that with Charlotte, Kieron and Ellie cos this forum would be in meltdown.

Yep talk about tunnel vision with some people rusti.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

So the four amigos..prompted by Hannah take themselves off into the bedroom to declare their allegiance...Hannah calling in Chanelle first then Raph in front of others making the others feel 'left out' of the cool gang. What a bunch of hypocrites.
Good job Tom didn't do that with Charlotte, Kieron and Ellie cos this forum would be in meltdown.

So you don't see why Charlotte's snobby Tory like attitude towards Chanelle wouldn't be an issue for alot of not just this Forum but the viewers in general tonight?

And Andrew tbf had more of a point to be pissed off, but he is the kinda person that the general public will never side with because he blows it out of proportion like Rebecca did during Smilegate.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

So you don't see why Charlotte's snobby Tory like attitude towards Chanelle wouldn't be an issue for alot of not just this Forum but the viewers in general tonight?

And Andrew tbf had more of a point to be pissed off, but he is the kinda person that the general public will never side with because he blows it out of proportion like Rebecca did during Smilegate.

All good points Mock.
I also think Andrew was a little uncomfortable as to what Charlotte was saying a lot of the time.

As for tunnel vision that goes both ways.
Anything against Raph is fine,any defence is just having tunnel vision.

I'm one happy to have tunnel vision then for sure.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

All good points Mock.
I also think Andrew was a little uncomfortable as to what Charlotte was saying a lot of the time.

As for tunnel vision that goes both ways.
Anything against Raph is fine,any defence is just having tunnel vision.

I'm one happy to have tunnel vision then for sure.

For me tonight it's less about Raph, and more about what Charlotte said about Chanelle. She clearly doesn't like Chanelle because she's not as posh as she (Charlotte) is. It actually explains Charlotte's overreaction to Chanelle's one off the cuff comment that wasn't even that bad.

And with Andrew he was silly, but I could kind of understand why he was upset about what Hannah did tonight.

[Littlegreen]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

So the four amigos..prompted by Hannah take themselves off into the bedroom to declare their allegiance...Hannah calling in Chanelle first then Raph in front of others making the others feel 'left out' of the cool gang. What a bunch of hypocrites.
Good job Tom didn't do that with Charlotte, Kieron and Ellie cos this forum would be in meltdown.

Like I said in the other thread, it wasn't a group meeting or anything new. Those four have had each others back since day 1 and came together in solace during quite an emotional evening.