[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

HE had hurt the child before and referred to her as ‘satan’ and the ‘devil’ so not exactly spur of the moment.

Her point wasn't as an excuse or to lessen the actions of this man. The point is that a lot of people seem to think that this would have been avoided "with better checks", as though there "must" have been some sign that he would do this if the people doing the checks were "better at their jobs" or "had tougher criteria". But that's rarely the case. People who pass every check going with flying colours, and seem like normal and completely non-violent people, can "turn" and commit horrible crimes.

You seem to think that there's "something that can be changed" (not allowing gay people to adopt at all, probably) that would stop things like this happening when in reality, it could be the person you least expect who commits a crime like this, and there is no such thing as a foolproof system of checks.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Oh that’s alright then. He just killed the child in the heat of the moment. Poor man, how he must have suffered. Perhaps he should be given another child as it may not have been premeditated. God forbid.

Not what she said.
She was clearly counter pointing what you said about the possibility of it being premeditated. No excuses. Just the fact that crimes like this are normally not pre-planned.

[Parmy]

Who are these morons passing someone when a hint is even there that ther is a small chance that the child may be being physically abused.

The child barely crawling fell down the stairs..hurt wrist...bruised forehead...all before the official adoption and nobody thought that there was even a glimmer if a chance something was amiss..then the fractured ribs and head injury prior to the tragic death.


Both guilty. As are the local adoption agency and they all have this childs blood on there hands.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Who are these morons passing someone when a hint is even there that ther is a small chance that the child may be being physically abused.

The child barely crawling fell down the stairs..hurt wrist...bruised forehead...all before the official adoption and nobody thought that there was even a glimmer if a chance something was amiss..then the fractured ribs and head injury prior to the tragic death.


Both guilty. As are the local adoption agency and they all have this childs blood on there hands.

It does remind me of the Baby P incident and it's shocking lessons haven't been learned.

Mistakes happen and people slip through the net. It would be naive to think anyone and everyone can be caught. But the fact that numerous trips to the hospital with such shocking injuries were overlooked is baffling.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It does remind me of the Baby P incident and it's shocking lessons haven't been learned.

Mistakes happen and people slip through the net. It would be naive to think anyone and everyone can be caught. But the fact that numerous trips to the hospital with such shocking injuries were overlooked is baffling.

I doubt it is, but maybe all the health visitors etc were taken in by the novelty of it all...

[AnnieK]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, babies are slippery little buggers and quite often things happen. When my son was 18 months old I was running downstairs with him on my hip, tripped over my own feet and.put my arms out to catch myself...dropping my son. I took him to hospital and.after a bit of.observation he was discharged. A week later he was in the bath and I noticed a lump on his shoulder. It turned out he broke his collar bone in the fall but as childrens bones are so pliable at that age it wasnt picked up till it started to heal....after the fall he was a bit stiff and I kept adking him to do "so big" to move it which obviously with a broken collar bone was probavky painful but he did it. What im trying to say iss accidents happen and medical professionals are not infallible so to place blame is a tough one other than at the door of the man who ultimately took this little girls life, whatever the circumstances, this child has lost her life and her future..getting hung up on his sexuality is pointless. He has taken the life of a child and should pay the price with a hefty prison sentance

[Parmy]

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[Parmy]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...ntle-jury-told

[Amy Jade]

This is incredibly sad, poor little thing must have been in so much pain.

The guy is scum and I hope he get's what he deserves.

[Parmy]

If he was such a nice guy he would have given the child back after the first incident which happened long before they officially adopted the child.

But no, he said nothing ignoring his own obvious anger issues...scum.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

If he was such a nice guy he would have given the child back after the first incident which happened long before they officially adopted the child.

But no, he said nothing ignoring his own obvious anger issues...scum.

No one is saying he's a nice guy or making excuses for him ffs.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

If he was such a nice guy he would have given the child back after the first incident which happened long before they officially adopted the child.

But no, he said nothing ignoring his own obvious anger issues...scum.

Who said he's a nice guy?

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Who said he's a nice guy?

His husband day 2 of the trial.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

His husband day 2 of the trial.

Yes but it sounds like you're trying to make a counter-point to something someone has said on here. Who on here has agreed with those statements made by his husband?

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes but it sounds like you're trying to make a counter-point to something someone has said on here. Who on here has agreed with those statements made by his husband?

I would have quoted.....are we now going to spend another page arguing about me? Cause im a bit fed up with it to be honest.

[Parmy]

Stop picking stupid holes fgs..we all know what i mean.

So if he really really did care that much about the child then why didnt he hand the child back after the first, 2nd or even 3rd instance of abuse?


Simple really, he cared more about himself than the child he was trying to adopt.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Stop picking stupid holes fgs..we all know what i mean.

So if he really really did care that much about the child then why didnt he hand the child back after the first, 2nd or even 3rd instance of abuse?


Simple really, he cared more about himself than the child he was trying to adopt.

Nobody's picking. You're arguing a point that NOBODY made.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Nobody's picking. You're arguing a point that NOBODY made.

His husband did on day 2 of the tial, hence why i didnt quote anyone....and im being accused if being thick fgs.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Stop picking stupid holes fgs..we all know what i mean.

So if he really really did care that much about the child then why didnt he hand the child back after the first, 2nd or even 3rd instance of abuse?


Simple really, he cared more about himself than the child he was trying to adopt.

Who said he cared that much?

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Who said he cared that much?

His husband on day 2 of the trial.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

His husband on day 2 of the trial.

Oh right, the way you put it into your post made it seem like you were asking us all why we thought he was a nice guy, who are you asking then? Pretty sure the husband isn't a member here

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh right, the way you put it into your post made it seem like you were asking us all why we thought he was a nice guy, who are you asking then? Pretty sure the husband isn't a member here

Not really asking anyone, just making a point really regarding this one off thing...which is rubbish as it wasnt a one of thing

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Stop picking stupid holes fgs..we all know what i mean.

So if he really really did care that much about the child then why didnt he hand the child back after the first, 2nd or even 3rd instance of abuse?


Simple really, he cared more about himself than the child he was trying to adopt.

I don't think it's simple at all... Like others have already mentioned, this isn't just a case of one thing causing another, it's much much more complicated than that.

[Marsh.]

That's why it pays to put your post into a context and not stick it at the end of an ongoing discussion where it appears to be a response to that discussion.

[Marsh.]

In response to what you actually said, it doesn't have to be one incident for his husband to have seen him as a nice guy beforehand.

His anger issues clearly aren't "issues" if he's noticing them and getting help for them immediately after one instance.

You're simplifying psychological problems.