[user104658]

Originally Posted by santasingsadingaling

Farcry and grand theft auto.

There is no form of domestic abuse in any of the Farcry games, nor is there ever violence against children in the GTA games, and also, ANYTHING is the GTA games is quite clearly intended as parody.

I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that there are depictions of abuse in either of those titles.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

There is no form of domestic abuse in any of the Farcry games, nor is there ever violence against children in the GTA games, and also, ANYTHING is the GTA games is quite clearly intended as parody.

I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that there are depictions of abuse in either of those titles.

Parody as in comedy, so you can comically play to attack and kill people? Games are modded to be able to rape characters, like I said how far can games go before they become simply abusive voyeuristic titillation?

Her avatar was asked to strip off her clothes at gunpoint and was then shot by a male character who told her he wanted to rape her.
She couldn’t see what he was doing (the screen goes black after a character dies), but she could hear him assaulting her character.
Correa wrote: “On the surface, I feel that it looks shallow. I was told I was going to get raped by a person I’ve never met, probably somewhere I’ve never been. I will more than likely never come into contact with that person in game again. I was a pixelated person in a computer generated world.
“But DayZ scared me. Its players have the capability to hurt other players in real time. In DayZ, you can make characters suffer. You can kidnap. You can torture. You can make it a long death. You can make it an even longer awful existence.”
The GTA games have previously come under fire for their violent sex scenes that have been accused of “deliberately degrading women.” Rockstar Games, the makers behind GTA V, have not yet responded to a request for comment.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/wom...ing-women.html

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

There is no form of domestic abuse in any of the Farcry games, nor is there ever violence against children in the GTA games, and also, ANYTHING is the GTA games is quite clearly intended as parody.

I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that there are depictions of abuse in either of those titles.

Amimal and physical abuse are available 1 minute into each game

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Can you give examples of games where abuse is normalised? I'd be very interested to here what you have to say since you seem to know a lot about video games.

None yet, this seems to be the ground breaker... as I said it is the trailer the USP for the game isn't it?

And as I said earlier there are many topics I don't have a lot of knowledge about insofar as direct experience of, and I'm sure you don't have experience in the issues I have experience in, that doesn't mean I would ever deny your right to have an opinion .... that would be repressive.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Christmas treeza

None yet, this seems to be the ground breaker... as I said it is the trailer the USP for the game isn't it?

And as I said earlier there are many topics I don't have a lot of knowledge about insofar as direct experience of, and I'm sure you don't have experience in the issues I have experience in, that doesn't mean I would ever deny your right to have an opinion .... that would be repressive.

If you think the USP of Detroit: Become Human is Domestic Abuse then you have clearly either not watched the trailer in question or you haven't understood it and have opted for moral outrage instead.

The USP of the trailer and the game in general is that the story can unfold in a number of ways depending on your actions and choices. If you have watched the trailer you certainly will see that it neither normalises or glamourises Domestic Abuse.

Who is denying your opinion? You made a statement saying that ''Modern' video games are about the normalisation of violence and/ or abuse' but that is simply not true at all. Your entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to point out the ignorant parts of it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If you think the USP of Detroit: Become Human is Domestic Abuse then you have clearly either not watched the trailer in question or you haven't understood it and have opted for moral outrage instead.

The USP of the trailer and the game in general is that the story can unfold in a number of ways depending on your actions and choices. If you have watched the trailer you certainly will see that it neither normalises or glamourises Domestic Abuse.

Who is denying your opinion? You made a statement saying that ''Modern' video games are about the normalisation of violence and/ or abuse' but that is simply not true at all. Your entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to point out the ignorant parts of it.

I have watched the trailer so why are you accusing me of ignorance?
I classed it as the USP as it is the focus of said trailer, the part of the game everyone gets to make a judgement on pre release.

I was not the first to use the term 'modern' to describe such interactive games in the thread, If you read back I didn't suggest it normalised abuse but suggested that that was a potential effect of the game.

Without any evidence it is impossible to say whether it is true or not therefore you dismissing my views as I 'misunderstood' or moral outrage is rather reactionary, denigrating my opinion is ignorant in itself, why is there no room for discussion on the possibility of desensitisation... it's not a wholly unheard of concept in gaming is it?

[Withano]

The game to me, looks like a pretty valuable lesson in the things you can do to stop an abusive parent, and ultimately save a childs life?.. If anyone has a problem with that, I'd argue that they're more of a problem than the game by miles.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Withano

The game to me, looks like a pretty valuable lesson in the things you can do to stop an abusive parent, and ultimately save a childs life?.. If anyone has a problem with that, I'd argue that they're more of a problem than the game by miles.

I'd be very, very surprised if she's even seen the game footage or read anything about the actual content tbqfh. Someone has said to her "Hey Esther - this game has a scene in it that features child abuse!" and she has instantly gone off on one, no doubt imagining a 2D sprite of a bearded leather-bound thug beating up a child whilst a 9 year old hammers on a SNES controller and cackles.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

The game to me, looks like a pretty valuable lesson in the things you can do to stop an abusive parent, and ultimately save a childs life?.. If anyone has a problem with that, I'd argue that they're more of a problem than the game by miles.

You would.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You would.

Why wouldnt you(?) anyone(?) not want a game which visually explains the precautions a person could take to stop a child from dying at the hands of their abusive parent to exist. Literally please give one reason or shut up.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Why wouldnt you(?) anyone(?) not want a game which visually explains the precautions a person could take to stop a child from dying at the hands of their abusive parent to exist. Literally please give one reason or shut up.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I would never pat you on the head no offence

[smudgie]

Am I the only old beggar that doesn't have a problem with it.
If this game has been passed by the censors I can't see a problem.
If it has an age limit on it then it's up to the parents to prevent the kids from watching/playing it.
If as has been stated on this thread that you are given options on how to change the outcome then bring it on.
Adverts on child abuse have been around for years, it's not something to be swept under the carpet.
This from someone who was a very violently abused child who had no idea what to do about it at the time.

[user104658]

To be fair I do question their use of that specific scene in the public trailer. It probably was a marketing decision made for sensationalist reasons but, there, it's important to remember that the creative minds behind creating the game and it's content are not the ones who are advertising it.

If they had kept this scene out of the trailer, then only people who are actually interested in the game would have seen it, and we wouldn't have to put up with Esther's crowing.

[bots]

It is a bit sad when in order to try and give a story impact that they have to resort to using Esther. What that highlights is that they are talking out their arses

[Northern Monkey]

Anyone would think this didn’t happen in 2009 -

Youtube video

There’s been violence in video games for years

[Beso]

No need for this in gaming.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Anyone would think this didn’t happen in 2009 -

Youtube video

There’s been violence in video games for years

See, I did actually find the MW2 sequence a bit much, with the major difference being that you are the aggressor in that situation (I know they tried to cover it up with some BS about how you didn't have to shoot and could just be passive... but the clear intention is that you participate). I still wouldn't be screeching "Ban Dis Filf" but I can understand why there are some issues with it. It's also miles from GTA "cartoony" violence.

Originally Posted by parmnion

No need for this in gaming.

Again I can understand if some people think there's no place for it in creative media full stop (so no need for it in movies or on TV either). I don't particularly AGREE that creative media shouldn't feature uncomfortable adult themes, I'd strongly argue against the world going that way - but it is still a valid and logical standpoint. However, saying "in gaming" specifically whilst believing that it's fine in other forms of media such as in movies or on television, or even in written fiction, just demonstrates a misunderstanding of how gaming has evolved over the last 20 or so years.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

See, I did actually find the MW2 sequence a bit much, with the major difference being that you are the aggressor in that situation (I know they tried to cover it up with some BS about how you didn't have to shoot and could just be passive... but the clear intention is that you participate). I still wouldn't be screeching "Ban Dis Filf" but I can understand why there are some issues with it. It's also miles from GTA "cartoony" violence.



Again I can understand if some people think there's no place for it in creative media full stop (so no need for it in movies or on TV either). I don't particularly AGREE that creative media shouldn't feature uncomfortable adult themes, I'd strongly argue against the world going that way - but it is still a valid and logical standpoint. However, saying "in gaming" specifically whilst believing that it's fine in other forms of media such as in movies or on television, or even in written fiction, just demonstrates a misunderstanding of how gaming has evolved over the last 20 or so years.

Unless you are a simpleton who gets erect over vg characters then i reitterate, that there is no place for this in video gaming.

[Brother Leon]

The game looks awesome so they can all do one tbh.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

The game looks awesome so they can all do one tbh.

See.... totally desensitised already

[Vicky.]

Video games are not my thing at all..but all of this kickoff about this game is making me want to try it, just to see what the fuss is about tbh Which I am sure was not the point of the kickoffs, but it is the result, for me anyway

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Video games are not my thing at all..but all of this kickoff about this game is making me want to try it, just to see what the fuss is about tbh Which I am sure was not the point of the kickoffs, but it is the result, for me anyway

Boys toys - aggression is not just about hormones but also about choice of toys.

For me the difference would be about how engrossed boys get into games and how they replay them many times, whereas they tend to watch a film once and once watched it is put to bed.

As a mother of 3 boys I have seen and heard how bl**dy engrossed they get in games. I have run upstairs before now hearing my son shouting thinking something awful has happened only to discover it was all about a game., he was so flipping engrossed in a game he was shouting at it. He has never done that with a film.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Boys toys - aggression is not just about hormones but also about choice of toys.

For me the difference would be about how engrossed boys get into games and how they replay them many times, whereas they tend to watch a film once and once watched it is put to bed.

As a mother of 3 boys I have seen and heard how bl**dy engrossed they get in games. I have run upstairs before now hearing my son shouting thinking something awful has happened only to discover it was all about a game., he was so flipping engrossed in a game he was shouting at it. He has never done that with a film.

Yeah some kids do get very into the games. We have this quite often with Gavins kids. Obviously mine are a bit young for stuff like this (though my daughter does like a bit of sonic And gets very frustrated)

A few times we have heard a barrage of expletives come from his daughter (13) or his son (15) and have gone flying upstairs thinking they have hurt themselves or something, only to be confronted with a red faced sweary teenager who has just been killed in a game or something

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yeah some kids do get very into the games. We have this quite often with Gavins kids. Obviously mine are a bit young for stuff like this (though my daughter does like a bit of sonic And gets very frustrated)

A few times we have heard a barrage of expletives come from his daughter (13) or his son (15) and have gone flying upstairs thinking they have hurt themselves or something, only to be confronted with a red faced sweary teenager who has just been killed in a game or something

That sounds familiar!