[Denver]

Im surprised he hasnt been assassinated

[arista]

Donald Trump denies '****hole countries' slur saying it was 'not the language used'

https://news.sky.com/story/trump-***...-used-11204521

[Donald Trump has responded to criticism about his alleged use
of the word "****hole" to describe migrant countries, saying
"this was not the language used".
While the President appeared to deny using the offensive term,
he did admit the language he used "was tough".
The President tweeted on Friday following criticism
from the UN and other countries.]

[Underscore]

Leader of the Free World guys.

[DemolitionRed]

the NYTimes ran a story about a White House meeting in June where trump said all the Haitians had aids and the Africans needed to go back to their huts.
the White House vehemently denied that trump had made those comments. Well here we are a couple of weeks later and trump has made similar comments that pretty much confirms the NYTimes story. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/23/u...migration.html

[GiRTh]

Sen. Tim Scott: Sen. Graham confirmed Trump's reported 's---hole' quote was accurate

Three people two Republicans and a Democrat appearing to confirm Trump's comment

EDIT - The site wont let me post the full link cuz of the word 'sh&t'

[Withano]

Daft ****

[Vanessa]

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

Daft ****

Is it punk?

[Kizzy]

Has he been to Detroit?

[Maru]

He's put himself in a perpetual sh*thole over his tweeting, but I won't hold my breath it'll change. He seems to love people obsessing over it as it keeps him the topic of the day...

[Northern Monkey]

The guy could be right.There are countries which are indeed ****holes.He can think what he likes.

However he’s not just your average bloke.He’s the POTUS and that role requires a thing called DIPLOMACY with a good dose of TACT.
Both arts that this president has certainly NOT mastered.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

The guy could be right.There are countries which are indeed ****holes.He can think what he likes.

However he’s not just your average bloke.He’s the POTUS and that role requires a thing called DIPLOMACY with a good dose of TACT.
Both arts that this president has certainly NOT mastered.

He should of also reminded himself that America has a lot of **** holes.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

He should of also reminded himself that America has a lot of **** holes.

Very true

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

He should of also reminded himself that America has a lot of **** holes.

but is a wealth creating hugely successful country that does massive good around the world

to try and pretend that a lot of country's are not sh1tholes is a bit daft

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

but is a wealth creating hugely successful country that does massive good around the world

to try and pretend that a lot of country's are not sh1tholes is a bit daft

Maybe but for one, at least equally daft to sweeping claim that every country in an entire continent is a sh*thole (at the very least demonstrates that he knows next to nothing about Africa) and secondly... His point isn't just that they are failing states... It's that any person who COMES FROM a failing state will be a "failing person", which is obviously nonsense. Plenty of people from tough backgrounds are intelligent, productive and driven adults and plenty of people from privileged western backgrounds are lazy, thick and pig-ignorant.

Country of origin really says very little about an individual.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Maybe but for one, at least equally daft to sweeping claim that every country in an entire continent is a sh*thole (at the very least demonstrates that he knows next to nothing about Africa) and secondly... His point isn't just that they are failing states... It's that any person who COMES FROM a failing state will be a "failing person", which is obviously nonsense. Plenty of people from tough backgrounds are intelligent, productive and driven adults and plenty of people from privileged western backgrounds are lazy, thick and pig-ignorant.

Country of origin really says very little about an individual.

Hence the reason we should not be discussing bits of a conversation that was leaked with a pure agenda

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

but is a wealth creating hugely successful country that does massive good around the world

to try and pretend that a lot of country's are not sh1tholes is a bit daft

Nobody is saying a lot of countries aren't **** holes or that America doesn't do good around the world, but when you consider the massive domestic issues making America one of the most violent, racist countries in the world, soon bereft of even the most fundamental health care, saturated with guns and continual mass shootings, living in a hazy cowboy fantasy, governed by a repressive religious minority, so oppressive it jails more of its own citizens than any other regime inthe world I thing its accurate to say... it's a ****hole.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Nobody is saying a lot of countries aren't **** holes or that America doesn't do good around the world, but when you consider the massive domestic issues making America one of the most violent, racist countries in the world, soon bereft of even the most fundamental health care, saturated with guns and continual mass shootings, living in a hazy cowboy fantasy, governed by a repressive religious minority, so oppressive it jails more of its own citizens than any other regime inthe world I thing its accurate to say... it's a ****hole.

See this is where it’s gone too far for me.
I’d agree that America has places that are indeed ****holes but not that America as a whole is one.

When you look at the world the US is one of the best places you could live.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Nobody is saying a lot of countries aren't **** holes or that America doesn't do good around the world, but when you consider the massive domestic issues making America one of the most violent, racist countries in the world, soon bereft of even the most fundamental health care, saturated with guns and continual mass shootings, living in a hazy cowboy fantasy, governed by a repressive religious minority, so oppressive it jails more of its own citizens than any other regime inthe world I thing its accurate to say... it's a ****hole.

what utter nonsense, the USA is the most sought after destination in the world, why id wager 95% of Tibb would jump at a free holiday there and half want to live there

[Tom4784]

US is up there with Japan for countries I would not like to live in (obviously not counting war torn countries and the like).

It's nice for a holiday but I wouldn't live there, if you come down with a serious illness, you need to start a gofundme for a chance of getting treatment. **** that.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

US is up there with Japan for countries I would not like to live in (obviously not counting war torn countries and the like).

It's nice for a holiday but I'm not living anywhere where, if you come down with a serious illness, you need to start a gofundme for a chance of getting treatment. **** that.

Well thankfully, most people/families are insured through employers and it's usually an 80/20 (80% coverage, 20% you pay), 90/10 plan... Most plans cover treatment and diagnostics 100%. The percentage is usually if you have to do inpatient/outpatient procedures, (edit) but in most cases it's a deductible. ERs are copays, so I've dropped stones that have cost $20,000K to only have a $300 copay (which is higher than average). (edit) Also the overall price is actually marked down... just because it's billed $20,000K, isn't the contracted rate. It's usually far less once Medicare/insurance contract rates kick in.

Usually the lifetime deductibles are like $1million, etc, but it varies widely. Also, the giant bills you see from hospitals are usually from people who have either maxed out or are uninsured or are in some crazy rare instance where their insurance company is a moron.

My mother has severe Dystonia and she's had two brain surgeries fully covered by Medicare which are entirely experimental. My whole family has had a lot of experimental research done because the form of it is so unusual. 100% of that research was covered by insurance. We wouldn't have the research capabilities we have if it weren't for private insurance. Not saying it doesn't happen where the insurance companies **** up, but from what I hear the NHS isn't a picnic either.

Anyway, I've never known anyone but myself who has opened a Gofundme, and it was for a dog I was nursing from being emaciated through a dog rescue I was with and who also needed diabetes testing. But Americans are very charitable... even those horrible Christian people and believe me the hospitals/medical center is floating in money. It's just that you hear the worst cases because that's all the media will cover... they'll never tell you how our system though makes a lot of things that don't happen in other places possible. It's just what it is.


Edit: Oh, as far as Japan, I'd agree (personally). I speak the language and I have had friends there for many years who we communicate daily with. It's not quite Western culture, and I don't really feel like doing English teaching for the rest of my life ... . I was a member at a gaijin forum for the longest time so I knew a lot of expats and we talked about it when I wanted to go into Linguistics. It's got it's issues, but so does any country.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Maru

Well thankfully, most people/families are insured through employers and it's usually an 80/20 (80% coverage, 20% you pay), 90/10 plan... Most plans cover treatment and diagnostics 100%.

I don't know many Americans but the two I do know I consider my best friends. One of those friends couldn't return to America when she fell pregnant because nobody would insure her. The other ones sister got throat cancer after working on the 9/11 clear up operation. She'd paid insurance all her working life. She lives in a modern, fully paid for Manhattan apartment. When she fell ill, her medical records were scrutinized by her insurers before she was rejected. The reason: she'd had thrush in her mouth about ten years previous and hadn't told them. She was suddenly faced with inevitable death if she couldn't get treatment or the loss of everything she owned to pay privately. Fortunately for her the 9/11 trust stepped in. Fortunately she had a charity she could turn to but many don't.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Maru

Well thankfully, most people/families are insured through employers and it's usually an 80/20 (80% coverage, 20% you pay), 90/10 plan... Most plans cover treatment and diagnostics 100%. The percentage is usually if you have to do inpatient/outpatient procedures, (edit) but in most cases it's a deductible. ERs are copays, so I've dropped stones that have cost $20,000K to only have a $300 copay (which is higher than average). (edit) Also the overall price is actually marked down... just because it's billed $20,000K, isn't the contracted rate. It's usually far less once Medicare/insurance contract rates kick in.

Usually the lifetime deductibles are like $1million, etc, but it varies widely. Also, the giant bills you see from hospitals are usually from people who have either maxed out or are uninsured or are in some crazy rare instance where their insurance company is a moron.

My mother has severe Dystonia and she's had two brain surgeries fully covered by Medicare which are entirely experimental. My whole family has had a lot of experimental research done because the form of it is so unusual. 100% of that research was covered by insurance. We wouldn't have the research capabilities we have if it weren't for private insurance. Not saying it doesn't happen where the insurance companies **** up, but from what I hear the NHS isn't a picnic either.

Anyway, I've never known anyone but myself who has opened a Gofundme, and it was for a dog I was nursing from being emaciated through a dog rescue I was with and who also needed diabetes testing. But Americans are very charitable... even those horrible Christian people and believe me the hospitals/medical center is floating in money. It's just that you hear the worst cases because that's all the media will cover... they'll never tell you how our system though makes a lot of things that don't happen in other places possible. It's just what it is.


Edit: Oh, as far as Japan, I'd agree (personally). I speak the language and I have had friends there for many years who we communicate daily with. It's not quite Western culture, and I don't really feel like doing English teaching for the rest of my life ... . I was a member at a gaijin forum for the longest time so I knew a lot of expats and we talked about it when I wanted to go into Linguistics. It's got it's issues, but so does any country.

The NHS isn't perfect but compared to the US system, it's pretty damn close. So many lives would be lost were it not for the NHS.

When it comes to Japan it's the high suicide rates, the backwards attitudes towards sexual crimes and the whole Karoshi thing that puts me off. I always wanted to go there as a tourist but living there? Nope.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The NHS isn't perfect but compared to the US system, it's pretty damn close. So many lives would be lost were it not for the NHS.

When it comes to Japan it's the high suicide rates, the backwards attitudes towards sexual crimes and the whole Karoshi thing that puts me off. I always wanted to go there as a tourist but living there? Nope.

Karoshi is seriously toxic and really quite dystopian... And I honestly think it's an indicator of where we're all headed - or at least where our governments would like us to be headed. Not succeeding in life? Not working hard enough! Work more hours!

But then look at the effects. High suicide rates, on top of deaths literally caused by pure exhaustion, and also sky high unemployment. I mean... It's hardly surprising that you'd end up with high unemployment when those who are employed are ready, willing... Even keen... To work 90 hour weeks.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The NHS isn't perfect but compared to the US system, it's pretty damn close. So many lives would be lost were it not for the NHS.

When it comes to Japan it's the high suicide rates, the backwards attitudes towards sexual crimes and the whole Karoshi thing that puts me off. I always wanted to go there as a tourist but living there? Nope.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Karoshi is seriously toxic and really quite dystopian... And I honestly think it's an indicator of where we're all headed - or at least where our governments would like us to be headed. Not succeeding in life? Not working hard enough! Work more hours!

But then look at the effects. High suicide rates, on top of deaths literally caused by pure exhaustion, and also sky high unemployment. I mean... It's hardly surprising that you'd end up with high unemployment when those who are employed are ready, willing... Even keen... To work 90 hour weeks.

Yeah Karoushi would be my other reason. My friend lucked out after a few years and got in with a good company, but before that he was paid peanuts with a smaller company on a salary working 80 hours of OT a week. I'd probably go on strike