[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Bones

I was not saying that. But wonder how someone presents herself as a feminist and after two days she is acting like a cheap *****.

I'm not sure what feminism has to do with a woman and man cuddling tbh? (or how that makes her a cheap *****)

[Bones]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I'm not sure what feminism has to do with a woman and man cuddling tbh? (or how that makes her a cheap *****)

That is what i am wondering too, still feminsts are talking about it all the time.

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by Bones

That is what i am wondering too, still feminsts are talking about it all the time.

what are you talking about

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Bones

That is what i am wondering too, still feminsts are talking about it all the time.

Feminists are talking about what all the time, cuddling? I'm so confused

Even if she was having sex with him, or not being 'classy', or whatever, I still don't know what any of that has to do with feminism.

[hazyjo]

She cuddled him so she's looking to shag him?

Are you the sort of person who thinks a girl is asking for it by wearing a short skirt or a low cut top?

Says an awful lot about you - if you're happy to be perceived that way, fill yer boots. Not something I'd be using as bait on a wind-up thread, I'm sure you can do better where you don't look like such a muppet.

[Bones]

Originally Posted by hazyjo

She cuddled him so she's looking to shag him?

Are you the sort of person who thinks a girl is asking for it by wearing a short skirt or a low cut top?

Says an awful lot about you - if you're happy to be perceived that way, fill yer boots. Not something I'd be using as bait on a wind-up thread, I'm sure you can do better where you don't look like such a muppet.

I think that you know very little about men then. If you think that men just want cuddle, nothing else, proves how naive you are.

[hazyjo]

Originally Posted by Bones

I think that you know very little about men then. If you think that men just want cuddle, nothing else, proves how naive you are.

Haha not exactly lol.

Of course they want more eventually, same as women do - I'm just saying that by cuddling someone it does not give them a green light and does not mean 'almost having sex', does it.

[Bones]

Originally Posted by hazyjo

Haha not exactly lol.

Of course they want more eventually, same as women do - I'm just saying that by cuddling someone it does not give them a green light and does not mean 'almost having sex', does it.

As i said, you are so naive

[hazyjo]

Originally Posted by Bones

As i said, you are so naive

Mate, I'm forty-fkin'-seven. I have every tee-shirt going Naďve went out of my world about 30 years ago

No feminist either. Equality yes.

I want Daniel to win FFS!

[Niamh.]

She was hardly almost having sex, they didn't even have a proper kiss :/

[Bones]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

She was hardly almost having sex, they didn't even have a proper kiss :/

Ok, i wanna come over there and cuddle with you. We won't have sex

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Bones

Ok, i wanna come over there and cuddle with you. We won't have sex

But how does cuddling someone make her not a feminist though? Aren't feminist allowed have relationships/affection/sex?

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Bones

Sure she was stone cold feminist when she was introduced to CBB house. But after few days, she was almost having sex with Ginwine. Do she really present feminism and how it all goes?

It sounds as though you're the one portraying her as a "stone cold" feminist by implying that she's supposed to be against any type of relationship with a man.

[Bones]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

It sounds as though you're the one portraying her as a "stone cold" feminist by implying that she's supposed to be against any type of relationship with a man.

So she is just a feminist instead of stone cold feminist?

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Bones

So she is just a feminist instead of stone cold feminist?

There's nothing stone cold about her. Yes, she's a feminist. I believe every woman should be a feminist.

[Lilac hills]

Anyway assuming u were being serious I could understand needing a movement specifically for women back in like 1900’s because back then we needed a concentrated focus on the fact women just didn’t have the same rights which is wrong, however why should a movement like that exist now and hide over the definition of equality when first the name implies it’s heavily focused on one side and therefore isn’t advocating for the equality of everyone especially when women have all the rights men do have and most modern day feminists are advocating for more, and two if you truly believed in equality why not just say you believe in equality, because I highly doubt even 0.01% of feminists in the modern era would ever advocate for the right of a man. Doesn’t sound like equality does it?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lilac hills

Anyway assuming u were being serious I could understand needing a movement specifically for women back in like 1900’s because back then we needed a concentrated focus on the fact women just didn’t have the same rights which is wrong, however why should a movement like that exist now and hide over the definition of equality when first the name implies it’s heavily focused on one side and therefore isn’t advocating for the equality of everyone especially when women have all the rights men do have and most modern day feminists are advocating for more, and two if you truly believed in equality why not just say you believe in equality, because I highly doubt even 0.01% of feminists in the modern era would ever advocate for the right of a man. Doesn’t sound like equality does it?

Obviously things (in this side of the world anyway) are much better now for women but I don't think we're totally equal in regards to pay and job opportunities (and just look at all this Harvey Weinstein stuff to see how equal women are in Hollywood) And staying with Hollywood, the pay difference between Female and male actors. For example, last year (or maybe the year before, Scarlet Johanson was the highest grossing actor but she didn't even break the top 10 in wages

[Lilac hills]

Ok last post I’ll make on this hungry af

A lot of the things mentioned aren’t feminist/sexism issues. The wage gap is debatable but the statistics usually are misleading and don’t account for other external factors. Sexual abuse is bad people doing bad things to other people, not men doing bad things to women. The current Hollywood situation is bad, but harvey weinstein is not all men, it is an issue but it’s not reflective of day to day life and all normal people; men get sexually abused a lot it’s just not talked about mainly because men are taught early on to reserve their feelings and not show emotion, because if they are they are laughed at, and I’ve never seen a feminist vouch for this issue hmm. Abortion is something women are voting on too it’s not just ‘men are impressing our bodies hngg’ and anyway on the flip side if aborting becomes illegal the individual carrying the baby can just give birth put the responsibility of the child on the father and make him pay all the expenses!!!

I mean we can go in circles debating feminism on a big brother forum but let’s just agree to disagree

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Lilac hills

Ok last post I’ll make on this hungry af

A lot of the things mentioned aren’t feminist/sexism issues. The wage gap is debatable but the statistics usually are misleading and don’t account for other external factors. Sexual abuse is bad people doing bad things to other people, not men doing bad things to women. The current Hollywood situation is bad, but harvey weinstein is not all men, it is an issue but it’s not reflective of day to day life and all normal people; men get sexually abused a lot it’s just not talked about mainly because men are taught early on to reserve their feelings and not show emotion, because if they are they are laughed at, and I’ve never seen a feminist vouch for this issue hmm. Abortion is something women are voting on too it’s not just ‘men are impressing our bodies hngg’ and anyway on the flip side if aborting becomes illegal the individual carrying the baby can just give birth put the responsibility of the child on the father and make him pay all the expenses!!!

I mean we can go in circles debating feminism on a big brother form but let’s just agree to disagree

I agree that the rates of sexual abuse against women being higher isn't necessarily a feminist issue (it's an issue... just not a feminist one). I think it often gets treated as one because women make up the majority of victims but I think that's better explained by sexuality rather than sexism or attitudes, as in most abusers are men and most men are straight. If the sexuality of abusers was 50/50 gay/straight then I think the rates of sexual abuse between men and women would also be equal but that's not reality (and nothing to do with sexism). So the real question is why are men more likely to be sexual abusers and I think nature probably plays a big part in that (although I don't really know enough about it tbh).

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I agree that the rates of sexual abuse against women being higher isn't necessarily a feminist issue (it's an issue... just not a feminist one). I think it often gets treated as one because women make up the majority of victims but I think that's better explained by sexuality rather than sexism or attitudes, as in most abusers are men and most men are straight. If the sexuality of abusers was 50/50 gay/straight then I think the rates of sexual abuse between men and women would also be equal. So the real question is why are men more likely to be sexual abusers and I think nature probably plays a big part in that (although I don't really know enough about it tbh).

misogyny i feel plays a HUGE part in it

[Bones]

Originally Posted by montblanc

misogyny i feel plays a HUGE part in it

Not really.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by montblanc

misogyny i feel plays a HUGE part in it

If misogyny was the reason behind someone sexually abusing some else though then men wouldn't be victims of it, it follows a pattern of straight men abusing women and gay men abusing other men. I suppose misogyny could be a factor, like I said I don't know all the facts I'm just assuming really, but it just seems to make more sense to me that the rates are what they are because of sexuality.

[Lilac hills]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I agree that the rates of sexual abuse against women being higher isn't necessarily a feminist issue (it's an issue... just not a feminist one). I think it often gets treated as one because women make up the majority of victims but I think that's better explained by sexuality rather than sexism or attitudes, as in most abusers are men and most men are straight. If the sexuality of abusers was 50/50 gay/straight then I think the rates of sexual abuse between men and women would also be equal but that's not reality (and nothing to do with sexism). So the real question is why are men more likely to be sexual abusers and I think nature probably plays a big part in that (although I don't really know enough about it tbh).

Honestly it may have something to do with nature, definitely not totally unplausible. I’d like to think that most people in the first world surpress natural urges when it’s at the expense at another person tho however.

And tbh sexual abuse and rape is a bit of a grey area. A lot of people that have been abused, both men and women, don’t speak up about it in fear of being ridiculed or being seen as less of a person. Rape is also a difficult crime to prove. If there are no noticeable scars or anything. Two people can claim rape, one genuine the other not, both have no physical harm to prove it so how do you distinguish if they’re legitimate? I think in this case for a lot of cases involving women abuse people get accused of victim blaming if they don’t believe the victim ykno so this can lead to a lot of false accusations. Again it’s all a bit of a grey area so liek ykno

[Underscore]

Loving these smackdowns by Niamh

You go girl

[Lilac hills]

Let’s all love each other tho there are enough bad things in this world <3

Like Andrew brady