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Originally Posted by Paula D

As someone who's been waiting for an operation for 3 1/2 years now for something that affects me both physically and mentally I'd have to agree with Ann.

Priorities have to be set where's there's a limited amount of money.

Exactly Paula .. Medical ALWAYS should come first, anything else should be paid for yourself, . India bragged that £14,000 had been spent on her "chosen" op ,while people like you are sat waiting in pain or discomfort

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Do people think India is a well adjusted, stable person after her treatment?

[Marches]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Do people think India is a well adjusted, stable person after her treatment?

No, and India lost that debate

I just happen to agree with her on gender dysphoria

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Originally Posted by Marches

No, and India lost that debate

I just happen to agree with her on gender dysphoria

so then the argument about suicide rates is irrelevant.

[Marches]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

so then the argument about suicide rates is irrelevant.

India is not all, and is a poor representative, of the trans community

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Originally Posted by Marches

India is not all, and is a poor representative, of the trans community

I've seen you post the % of suicide rates pre treatment, what were they post treatment? That is where any benefit is highlighted. Without both figures, the statistic is meaningless.

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Do people think India is a well adjusted, stable person after her treatment?

India is a very unstable argumentative person.
She still has issues she needs to sort out , whether that's because she transitioned so late in her life who knows.

But NHS is there for serious medical conditions and illnesses . It's not there exclusively for gender reasignments .

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

India is a very unstable argumentative person.
She still has issues she needs to sort out , whether that's because she transitioned so late in her life who knows.

But NHS is there for serious medical conditions and illnesses . It's not there exclusively for gender reasignments .

If he had the op to feel better about himself he's wasted NHS money because Ive never seen a more bitter, miserable woman

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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

If he had the op to feel better about himself he's wasted NHS money because Ive never seen a more bitter, miserable woman

“He”?

As someone with a transgender relative I’m shocked at the ignorance here. Trans people ARE in pain. Gender Dysphoria is a recognised medical condition, and it can kill people. I don’t think anyone would actually op for it on a shopping list of procedures, because being trans clearly still carries a major stigma. It’s a tough life. And I for one think india looks amazing!!!

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Originally Posted by Bluelight

“He”?

As someone with a transgender relative I’m shocked at the ignorance here. Trans people ARE in pain. Gender Dysphoria is a recognised medical condition, and it can kill people. I don’t think anyone would actually op for it on a shopping list of procedures, because being trans clearly still carries a major stigma. It’s a tough life. And I for one think india looks amazing!!!

try reading the rest of the thread

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Originally Posted by Bluelight

“He”?

As someone with a transgender relative I’m shocked at the ignorance here. Trans people ARE in pain. Gender Dysphoria is a recognised medical condition, and it can kill people. I don’t think anyone would actually op for it on a shopping list of procedures, because being trans clearly still carries a major stigma. It’s a tough life. And I for one think india looks amazing!!!

this is what happens when you dont read the thread

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They don’t “want”. They NEED. If this survery is not available, a high percentage of trans people kill themselves. Unless you - like Ann - believe that conversion therapy is an option, the only treatment is gender reassignment surgery. You deem to be labouring under the impression it’s a lifestyle choice?

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Can people stick to the topic please....it's not eachother

[Greg!]

Niamh isn't transphobia against forum rules like other forms of prejudice?

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Niamh isn't transphobia against forum rules like other forms of prejudice?

you mean like ageism

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Cherie

you mean like ageism

Yes but I'm not sure what that's got to do with this thread.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Yes but I'm not sure what that's got to do with this thread.

You mentioned forum rules in general so it is very relevant

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You mentioned forum rules in general so it is very relevant

Okay.

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Originally Posted by Cherie

you mean like ageism

Love it In going to get myself a "phobia" or an" ist" when i go Tesco on Saturday then i can demand special treatment

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Niamh isn't transphobia against forum rules like other forms of prejudice?

This is a discussion about the NHS and whether or not people believe it should be paying for these operations, people are allowed have an opinion on that, I understand this is a sensitive subject but I'm not going to shut down peoples opinions on it unless they're being deliberately offensive

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

This is a discussion about the NHS and whether or not people believe it should be paying for these operations, people are allowed have an opinion on that, I understand this is a sensitive subject but I'm not going to shut down peoples opinions on it unless they're being deliberately offensive

I meant Chuff's misgendering of India

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Originally Posted by Greg!

I meant Chuff's misgendering of India

Well, the way I read Chuffs post, it seemed to me like she was differentiating between India pre and post op as she refers to her as a woman post op

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well, the way I read Chuffs post, it seemed to me like she was differentiating between India pre and post op as she refers to her as a woman post op

That's really not the way most people would read it

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well, the way I read Chuffs post, it seemed to me like she was differentiating between India pre and post op as she refers to her as a woman post op

Thats right I did, but don't let facts get in the way I used HE before the op ( When Jonathon wasn't happy ) and SHE after the op ( When India still wasn't happy)

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Originally Posted by Greg!

I meant Chuff's misgendering of India

I think chuff meant pre- op as before India became a woman ,she was a HE .