[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Just on the news Venables sentenced to 3 years for indecent pictures of children and a paedophile manual !!!! wtf is all that about, 3 years is laughable he will be out in half of that.

I thought that.
Honestly it's a disgrace
With likely another new identity too.

I really understand and support your fury as to this.
Thinking of again too,less than 2 years ahead,his Mother and dad getting more pain thrust at.them again.

Since I doubt,it won't be long before he is in bother again.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Just on the news Venables sentenced to 3 years for indecent pictures of children and a paedophile manual !!!! wtf is all that about, 3 years is laughable he will be out in half of that.

Its just awful. of justice system is ridiculous.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Just on the news Venables sentenced to 3 years for indecent pictures of children and a paedophile manual !!!! wtf is all that about, 3 years is laughable he will be out in half of that.

You don't get those in W H Smiths, just goes to show he is part of a group, disgusting pig should be locked away for good

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Just on the news Venables sentenced to 3 years for indecent pictures of children and a paedophile manual !!!! wtf is all that about, 3 years is laughable he will be out in half of that.

Yeah I heard about this, this really stood out to me from the article I read...

Mr Justice Edis said possessing the manual suggested Venables was "at least contemplating the possibility" of committing an actual sexual crime against children

A report found Venables was a "high risk of real harm to children" in the future, the court was told.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-42972085

I don't understand how someone who is considered in this way ^ (never mind the fact he is an actual child torturer and murderer!) can gets 3 years it's absolutely sickening. And some of the images he had weren't just indecent they were of actual abuse and some of them were of babies. It's just beyond belief, I don't know the inner workings of the justice system and sentencing etc but it seems absolutely insane.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Yeah I heard about this, this really stood out to me from the article I read...



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-42972085

I don't understand how someone who is considered in this way ^ (never mind the fact he is an actual child torturer and murderer!) can gets 3 years it's absolutely sickening. And some of the images he had weren't just indecent they were of actual abuse and some of them were of babies. It's just beyond belief, I don't know the inner workings of the justice system and sentencing etc but it seems absolutely insane.

.... and this new 3 year term comes after another 2 year term applied a few years back too.

Sometimes the law is grossly unfair.
Even the judge here termed Venables a liar and manipulative.
It's beyond belief.

Changes need to come to ensure he cannot harm anyone again.
He's now in his mid 30s and it would appear has learned next to nothing and not changed.

Honestly on this case,member Kazanne,who has a massive knowledge as to little James.
Is dead right, this guy should never have been and ought not be now released back into society.

Anytime he is out,even with the supervision in place,in my opinion,there is still the massive potential danger to another child or even more than one..
That's a disgrace and totally disturbing.

[Garfie]

He is a child murderer whose actions indicate that either he cannot control his dangerous urges or that he is willing to act on them. Twice in recent years he has been caught with indecent images of children, and this time with a paedophile manual describing how to satisfy those urges.

How long before he acts on those urges?

Venables clearly poses a serious danger to children and 30 months is a joke as well as an insult to both James and the Bulger family.

Is it only when he commits another crime in which he seriously harms another child that appropriate action will be taken?

[Cal.]

Scum. Scum. Scum.

Waste of space.

Denise Fergus is an amazing lady. She would have been the perfect candidate for this series of CBB which was all about celebrating women (in a similar vein as Maggie Oliver) because she is the definition of a strong woman.

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by Cal.

Denise Fergus is an amazing lady. She would have been the perfect candidate for this series of CBB which was all about celebrating women (in a similar vein as Maggie Oliver) because she is the definition of a strong woman.

was thinking about this earlier, same with Sara Rowbotham among others. I think she was probably asked, but I don’t think she would say yes to it, particularly with the 25th anniversary coming up.

Jon Venables’ identity should be made public because he is clearly a danger to society. So parents can know what he looks like, what his name is. I signed a petition earlier on for a public enquiry to be made into the murder of James Bulger. It had already reached 100k signatures and we are waiting less than 24 hours for a date that it will be debated in parliament.

I watched the STV doc on it last night, it was hard to watch, especially some of the descriptions of how they tortured James, I won’t include them in this post as idk if that would be breaking any rule on this site as some of them made me feel sick

https://t.co/lgLiwr0Dqh

[jaxie]

I think the light sentence he was given is very worrying. Particularly with the evidence about the paedophile manual. Surely that is strong evidence of intent to act on it?

He has been cautioned, called back to prison about 4 times now, one for drug abuse which could also be a dangerous factor. He clearly isn't normal in his leanings towards children and has already killed. Why isn't he in a secure hospital or in prison indefinitely?

What if he gets into a position where he can do it again? This desire to rehabilitate him at any cost is putting a child at real risk.

[bots]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I think the light sentence he was given is very worrying. Particularly with the evidence about the paedophile manual. Surely that is strong evidence of intent to act on it?

He has been cautioned, called back to prison about 4 times now, one for drug abuse which could also be a dangerous factor. He clearly isn't normal in his leanings towards children and has already killed. Why isn't he in a secure hospital or in prison indefinitely?

What if he gets into a position where he can do it again?

my only hope is that prisoners are able to get to him in prison before he gets out. His photo was made available for a period of time, so it should be possible to identify him

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

my only hope is that prisoners are able to get to him in prison before he gets out. His photo was made available for a period of time, so it should be possible to identify him

It's quite creepy to think that you might be living next door to him and never know. I didn't see the image when it was out there.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

my only hope is that prisoners are able to get to him in prison before he gets out. His photo was made available for a period of time, so it should be possible to identify him

Our thoughts too Bots ,I have his picture ,I have not posted it as yet but I am so ,so tempted,he also said he " had urges" so what the hell are the probation board thinking about by just giving him 40 months? it's insane,it really is.

[RileyH]

I remember reading his story a couple of years ago and I've remembered it since, so sad </3

[Beso]

Hopefully some prisoners will join the dots.

[Cherie]

The fact that they got 8 years initially was criminal in itself, it seems like someone decided they didn't want to go to the bother of transferring them to adult prison

[Livia]

The problem with sentencing people like him is that there is a group of people who would rather understand him. I did watch the programme, harrowing as it was. Denise was brilliant, so strong... but right at the kick off there was someone on there claiming that a ten year old doesn't fully know what he's doing or we would have 10 year olds serving on juries... which is quite the most ridiculous comment to come out of the WHOLE programme.

I agree with Kazanne... they should have served their sentence in a juvenile centre until they were old enough to be thrown in the pokey, for a decent sentence fitting the crime.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Livia

The problem with sentencing people like him is that there is a group of people who would rather understand him. I did watch the programme, harrowing as it was. Denise was brilliant, so strong... but right at the kick off there was someone on there claiming that a ten year old doesn't fully know what he's doing or we would have 10 year olds serving on juries... which is quite the most ridiculous comment to come out of the WHOLE programme.

I agree with Kazanne... they should have served their sentence in a juvenile centre until they were old enough to be thrown in the pokey, for a decent sentence fitting the crime.

Yes that was Blake Morrison I think, I am really effing annoyed that the do gooders keep coming out with this rubbish,why would they try and cover it up if they didn't know what they were doing,they knew full well and planned it even told someone who saw James in distress that he was their little brother,time now for Venables at least to spend time with the big boys,but I suppose he will get all the help he needs.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Yes that was Blake Morrison I think, I am really effing annoyed that the do gooders keep coming out with this rubbish,why would they try and cover it up if they didn't know what they were doing,they knew full well and planned it even told someone who saw James in distress that he was their little brother,time now for Venables at least to spend time with the big boys,but I suppose he will get all the help he needs.

I thought, while listening to the tapes of the interviews, that they quite clearly knew they'd done wrong. Otherwise they wouldn't have blamed each other. And they were fairly bright, they didn't seem to have special needs or a difficulty understanding.

You know who I'm still thinking about? Apart from Denise... is the woman who stopped them, and her little girl took Jamie's hand. I'm not a weeper, but I admit I had a tear. To think she was that close to saving him from such an horrific end must haunt her every day.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Livia

I thought, while listening to the tapes of the interviews, that they quite clearly knew they'd done wrong. Otherwise they wouldn't have blamed each other. And they were fairly bright, they didn't seem to have special needs or a difficulty understanding.

You know who I'm still thinking about? Apart from Denise... is the woman who stopped them, and her little girl took Jamie's hand. I'm not a weeper, but I admit I had a tear. To think she was that close to saving him from such an horrific end must haunt her every day.

Yes she must feel awful,there were a few that day that could have stepped in,but I suppose you never think that kids could be so evil , but they must think about it a lot.Those scumbags even wanted to push him into the road and the canal,I really don't know how his parents have coped,I don't think I could.

[Cherie]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8202901.html

21 months for this guy, while a horrible crime who did he hurt or want to hurt...no one

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

I thought, while listening to the tapes of the interviews, that they quite clearly knew they'd done wrong. Otherwise they wouldn't have blamed each other. And they were fairly bright, they didn't seem to have special needs or a difficulty understanding.

You know who I'm still thinking about? Apart from Denise... is the woman who stopped them, and her little girl took Jamie's hand. I'm not a weeper, but I admit I had a tear. To think she was that close to saving him from such an horrific end must haunt her every day.

I found that odd, he was a young baby and she trusted them to take him to the police station, not to the point that they wouldn't do it but because they were so young as well

[Northern Monkey]

Those two little ****ers should’ve never seen daylight again.

[user104658]

Honestly I think it's very complex and it may well be the case that those two boys were always irredemably violent and dangerous, but I still have to disagree that they should have been tried or sentenced as adults at 10 years old. Not because of the specifics of that case - but because the idea that we should EVER start convicting children of crimes as if they were adults is a really horrendous road to go down.

That said, as an adult Venables at least has at this point surely proven beyond a doubt that he is, for whatever reason, a permanently dangerous individual and its ridiculous that he is repeatedly in and out with these light sentences. It should have been a condition of their initial release that ANY violent / sexual or similar criminal activity after release would result in immediately returning to prison to serve a full adult life term for the original murder.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Honestly I think it's very complex and it may well be the case that those two boys were always irredemably violent and dangerous, but I still have to disagree that they should have been tried or sentenced as adults at 10 years old. Not because of the specifics of that case - but because the idea that we should EVER start convicting children of crimes as if they were adults is a really horrendous road to go down.

That said, as an adult Venables at least has at this point surely proven beyond a doubt that he is, for whatever reason, a permanently dangerous individual and its ridiculous that he is repeatedly in and out with these light sentences. It should have been a condition of their initial release that ANY violent / sexual or similar criminal activity after release would result in immediately returning to prison to serve a full adult life term for the original murder.

Yes,this for me too.as to the last paragraph.
Always a conditional release.

This was discussed on question time last night too.
With some feeling Venables should be told on his next release,any further issues and his anonymity will be removed.

It's a truly horrible heartbreaking tragedy this.

The tapes were mentioned above,I was sickened on those tapes when one of them stated while pelting him with stones,that he wouldn't stay down and kept getting up.

They knew what they were doing for sure, despicable.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jonnii

No, not at all. That program on C4 the other night left a bad taste in my mouth, was like they were trying to get us to sympathise with the killers. Absolutely awful and I'm glad it's had such a backlash.

Venables should be stripped of his anonymity now and jailed for good, he's clearly a danger and something major waiting to happen (again).

Every time he's back in the press James' poor mother has to relive everything all over again and it's so cruel, she's never found nor never will find peace with it with their protection, like she says they were basically rewarded. Just lock him away and have him never mentioned again.

.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Honestly I think it's very complex and it may well be the case that those two boys were always irredemably violent and dangerous, but I still have to disagree that they should have been tried or sentenced as adults at 10 years old. Not because of the specifics of that case - but because the idea that we should EVER start convicting children of crimes as if they were adults is a really horrendous road to go down.

That said, as an adult Venables at least has at this point surely proven beyond a doubt that he is, for whatever reason, a permanently dangerous individual and its ridiculous that he is repeatedly in and out with these light sentences. It should have been a condition of their initial release that ANY violent / sexual or similar criminal activity after release would result in immediately returning to prison to serve a full adult life term for the original murder.

I still think 8 years which was the maximum they could receive in juvenile prison was too short