[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

But it doesn't matter what you think the show should be about, it is what it is and her character wasn't pointless in that respect

If TWD wanted to be Grey's Anatomy then it shouldn't have had the Zombies in the programme, it can't get credit for adding them in and then when people criticise the show for not handling them properly (on Social Media mainly) they can't then have responses like this because it encourages imo future shows to try similar gimmicks. Lori has nothing to do with the Zombie storyline (which whether the show likes it or not) is what most people tune in to the programme for, and is what people expect will be the show's main storyline, not love triangles, and certainly not this weird Biker Gang age that it's in at the moment with Negan.

But going back to Lori I think that season 2 tried the hardest to make her relevant to the programme with giving her more scenes with Dale and Glen, but they still was very few for my liking, and for the leading lady she should've been getting more screentime with these people but instead was just monopolised by Rick and Shane, she didn't even have that much screentime with Carl fgs and that was meant to be her Son.

Basically if the Show wanted some Drama in (which I do understand as it can help develop the characters) then they should've done it in a way that makes the character active with most of it's other characters, not just two people.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well Daenarys is trying to get the throne and has had an 8 season build-up to try and achieve the main aim of the programme, which Lori never seemed to have an aim but hook up with a guy on TWD.

fair i guess, but i am annoyed with some of her scenes

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

fair i guess, but i am annoyed with some of her scenes

Oh she was terrible last season, as was Jon Snow, but tbf I feel that they both have their own parts to play in the story.

[RileyH]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Game of Thrones: Daenerys ''miss way too many titles'' Targaryen, comes across in the show as really arrogant and spoilt, rightful heir to the seven kingdoms blah blah blah

No baby no

[reece(:]

Lori AND Sasha pointless?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Lori AND Sasha pointless?

Sasha imo was never properly developed, I didn't hate her character but I can certainly understand why the actress moved onto Star Trek: Discovery as her character actually gets development on that show.

[Marsh.]

So basically you're moaning because TWD is more than a "omg zombies" and actually drives the stories with characters which usually includes their relationships to one another.

It seems you're the one who doesn't get character development and drama.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So basically you're moaning because TWD is more than a "omg zombies" and actually drives the stories with characters which usually includes their relationships to one another.

It seems you're the one who doesn't get character development and drama.

I don't mind Drama (I've watched Battlestar Galactica, Game Of Thrones, and Sense8 fgs) but there's a difference with those three shows, their Drama elements have/was mostly on the events that was happening in the main plot of their programmes, where as can you tell me that TWD has developed the Zombie storyline past the season 1 finale? Because if you think they have then I'd like to know.

And also if you're gonna make a dig, at least know that you can actually do character development and Drama through your actual story than just making it into all about relationships and violence like TWD seems to only know how to do.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I don't mind Drama (I've watched Battlestar Galactica, Game Of Thrones, and Sense8 fgs) but there's a difference with those three shows, their Drama elements have/was mostly on the events that was happening in the main plot of their programmes, where as can you tell me that TWD has developed the Zombie storyline past the season 1 finale? Because if you think they have then I'd like to know.

And also if you're gonna make a dig, at least know that you can actually do character development and Drama through your actual story than just making it into all about relationships and violence like TWD seems to only know how to do.

Explain the "zombie storyline"?

The apocalypse tends to be the backdrop in which they tell these heightened plots.

Not to mention any show that wants to run for more than one episode is going to need subplots and character development beyond simply sticking to the "main plot" whatever that may be.

"Relationships" are the most important part they drive the story and create the conflict fgs. If there was no relationships there'd be no "actual story".

Really you're listing stories and characters you didn't enjoy or don't like. That doesn't make them unimportant or irrelevant to the story being told.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Explain the "zombie storyline"?

The apocalypse tends to be the backdrop in which they tell these heightened plots.

Not to mention any show that wants to run for more than one episode is going to need subplots and character development beyond simply sticking to the "main plot" whatever that may be.

"Relationships" are the most important part they drive the story and create the conflict fgs. If there was no relationships there'd be no "actual story".

Really you're listing stories and characters you didn't enjoy or don't like. That doesn't make them unimportant or irrelevant to the story being told.

The Show is 8 seasons in and they haven't thought to explain who even caused the Zombie outbreak? If it was a good Zombie story that should've been explained by now.

And I never said that dynamics in a show is unimportant, in fact I quit an Anime called Last Exile recently because it lacked interesting character dynamics, but a show should be able to have both, and TWD did do poor with Lori on the character development front as she was just the love interest of Rick and Shane, she never got to be her own person and form dynamics with the rest of the survivors, that's poor writing and as I stress for the leading lady at the time is just simply not good enough.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

The Show is 8 seasons in and they haven't thought to explain who even caused the Zombie outbreak? If it was a good Zombie story that should've been explained by now.

And I never said that dynamics in a show is unimportant, in fact I quit an Anime called Last Exile recently because it lacked interesting character dynamics, but a show should be able to have both, and TWD did do poor with Lori on the character development front as she was just the love interest of Rick and Shane, she never got to be her own person and form dynamics with the rest of the survivors, that's poor writing and as I stress for the leading lady at the time is just simply not good enough.

But it's not about what started it. That's not the purpose of the show.

It wouldn't have lasted this long if it was either.

In fact the creator even said the cause is "not important to the story".

[LaLaLand]

I don't think I could list 10 tbh but I want to give a special shout out to Janae "Watson" from OITNB... like what does she do? Just runs? Release ha

[Mystic Mock]

Plus shows that follow their friendships/relationships is possibly more cliched at this point than a Zombie outbreak.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Plus shows that follow their friendships/relationships is possibly more cliched at this point than a Zombie outbreak.

It has to follow them or there's no story beyond a 90 minute movie. You might as well just have one character on their own in that case.

[Mystic Mock]

I think that this review off IMDB summons up alot of the issues with TWD.

"They've lost me, the producers have lost me. How many times can they recycle the same plot? This is no longer humanity vs zombies, this is humans vs humans with a unnecessary dose of violence and twisted psyche, all for the sake of maintaining ratings and milking the cash cow. The writers creativity have been depleted for a few seasons now, there has been no direction, no gradual learning, no story development. All the physical moving around is just the illusion of story to mask the fact that there isn't a story being told at all. The show isn't going anywhere. I have stopped watching, and I feel liberated from this burden of a show. TWD has slowly decomposed into a gross, unintelligent TV show. Who keeps making gas, electricity... but then there's no radio communication... What happened to the military, the government, smart people, common sense... I understand the appeal for certain demographics, but I, for once, demand more from entertainment than this garbage, good bye!!!"

There's nothing wrong with being slow paced, but there does still need to be a story going on that the fans will accept being in the programme.

And they make a good point about how the Military, The Government, and the Scientists have all disappeared and has been substituted for pointless violence, and characters relationships.

[Mystic Mock]

I'm sorry if I've upset any fans of TWD, but I'm just stating issues that I think alot of people have had with the show that I think has lost the show alot of ratings.

Tbf I don't think that Lori is the only pointless character the show has ever had, I mean if it weren't for the fact that he is playing the villain role, Negan would be completely out of place in a show like TWD.

Out of interest as fans of the show Marsh and Lostie, what do you both think has caused the show to lose so many viewers in such a short space of time if you don't think that my issues are the reason for the negative response towards the show?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm sorry if I've upset any fans of TWD, but I'm just stating issues that I think alot of people have had with the show that I think has lost the show alot of ratings.

Tbf I don't think that Lori is the only pointless character the show has ever had, I mean if it weren't for the fact that he is playing the villain role, Negan would be completely out of place in a show like TWD.

Out of interest as fans of the show Marsh and Lostie, what do you both think has caused the show to lose so many viewers in such a short space of time if you don't think that my issues are the reason for the negative response towards the show?

what, don't say bad things about someone with a deadly baseball bat, that's a ballsy but dumb decision to do

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm sorry if I've upset any fans of TWD, but I'm just stating issues that I think alot of people have had with the show that I think has lost the show alot of ratings.

Tbf I don't think that Lori is the only pointless character the show has ever had, I mean if it weren't for the fact that he is playing the villain role, Negan would be completely out of place in a show like TWD.

Out of interest as fans of the show Marsh and Lostie, what do you both think has caused the show to lose so many viewers in such a short space of time if you don't think that my issues are the reason for the negative response towards the show?

tbf though the show was extremely popular when Lori was in it and was one of the main driving forces of the storyline

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

tbf though the show was extremely popular when Lori was in it and was one of the main driving forces of the storyline

Ratings shot up as soon as she was killed though.

I honestly think that the show's creators, the channel with it's trailers, the Comic Book fans, and the normal TV Show fans all have their own ideas of what the show is supposed to be, and I can't help but feel that's what hurting the show's quality as the creators/the channel want the Drama/Soapy bits. The TV Show fans on average seem to love the action meets Drama/Soap elements. The Comic Books fans seem to want it to be more gory and more Drama driven, with also more focus on the Zombies and better writing for Rick (the Rick stuff really is true with the Comic fans when I've heard them speak) so I think the show then is looking like a mess because they're having to incorporate all of these different things into the show and they don't all naturally gel with each other, and the show seems to be half hazard at pulling certain things off.

Personally aswell I do feel that they need to stop turning alot of the female characters into Stepford Wives, they're never gonna be able to carry an episode in this type of show if that's all their role is suppose to be.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Ratings shot up as soon as she was killed though.

Ratings went up because people liked Seasons 1 & 2, people didn't just say oh hate Lori so I'm going to stop watching until she dies

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Ratings went up because people liked Seasons 1 & 2, people didn't just say oh hate Lori so I'm going to stop watching until she dies

I've just checked on Wikipedia and the ratings didn't go up quite as big as I thought it did after she died, I do know that Shane's death saw the show jump up 2 million viewers afterwards.

I personally do think that alot of people was fed up of how the show doesn't seem to have a structured storyline, and I do think that characters like Lori, Negan, Sasha, and controversially Daryl do not help matters when they're either not heavily involved in the plot (Daryl, Sasha, and Lori) or they just don't seem to have enough dynamics with the cast to sustain themselves (Sasha in particular fell into this trap quite brutally imo, as did Lori who just was only there for Rick and Shane) I'm not saying that I'm speaking for everyone, but these were noticeable mistakes to me, and I bet in particular with the Lori and Negan storylines that alot of people just didn't check the show out past season 1 because of Lori, or quit the show in season 7 because of Negan. I also personally think that the Alexandria stuff was quite pointless too as there was no proper threat in Alexandria and the show had to force danger onto the group I felt.

As I've said though I'm interested to read what alot of the fans think is the issue as to why TWD has lost around 8 million viewers in the last two seasons.

[user104658]

To be fair, it makes literally zero sense that a small town sheriff and his rag-tag group of plucky normal people have survived this long, and The Kingdom with a zookeeper leader and again normal followers... And Negan and Co... And the trash yard kids... Have all survived and become expert zombie killers...

... And yet they haven't encountered ONE military group? Who would all be trained in survival tactics and armed to the teeth from the start. Or, say, a SWAT unit and their families for similar reasons. Basically, if multiple groups of mostly UNtrained people have survived, how are there no organised groups of trained individuals. Hmmm.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair, it makes literally zero sense that a small town sheriff and his rag-tag group of plucky normal people have survived this long, and The Kingdom with a zookeeper leader and again normal followers... And Negan and Co... And the trash yard kids... Have all survived and become expert zombie killers...

... And yet they haven't encountered ONE military group? Who would all be trained in survival tactics and armed to the teeth from the start. Or, say, a SWAT unit and their families for similar reasons. Basically, if multiple groups of mostly UNtrained people have survived, how are there no organised groups of trained individuals. Hmmm.

Thank you! Someone else seeing it from my perspective of the show, if anything like that was to really happen in real life Government officials, and Military would be some of the people that I'd be most confident was still alive.

[Marsh.]

Because the outbreak started at a military base and they are to blame, they were turned first.

SOLVED. Bravo TS! Bravo!

[user104658]

Being fair the current story doesn't exclude the possibility that government officials are still alive as they'd probably be living in a bunker somewhere, or perhaps a very remote base in the middle of a desert or something, for several years after the initial outbreak.

Its more the small groups of soldiers etc. I'm wondering about - we've hardly seen any alive! There was the tank driver from The Governors town I suppose, and Abraham but I'm sure he was an ex-soldier or at least on leave when it all started.

Surely there would be groups of soldiers who were together in barracks when it all started... And you get those military villages where soldiers live with their families etc... Wouldn't communities like that be some of the most likely to survive for a while? Rather than "normal" little settlements like Hilltop or Kingdom. I mean they did explain Alexandria which survived until Rick's arrival on a combination of self sufficiency and isolationism, the strong walls, and some good luck. But not so much the others.

That said, they've still not explained the helicopter that Rick saw overhead in the first half of this season. I don't think it was The Saviours, been no indication that they have one, so maybe there IS a well equipped base around somewhere.