[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yes

How old do you think I am

Older than my daughter,did you pay £9k a year?

[MTVN]

I was the last year of the lower fees as it happens which I admit I am fortunate about but I still think it would have been worth going with the higher fees. Plus if I had paid the higher fees I wouldn't be having to pay anything back yet

[user104658]

Is this genuinely a newspaper article about a Tumblr post? Holy **** Someone email the sun and tell them to Google "Zootopia Rule 34 Tumblr". I want to see THAT front page. Haaa.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I was paid by the state to go to uni. My kids are having to pay substantial amounts.
My first apartment cost me an affordable £45K. If one of my kids wanted to buy that apartment today it would cost the £350k
As a kid I had the pleasure of being to play outside. Now roads are too busy and parents too afraid to let them out of their site.
I will be able to get a state pension when I'm 66-67. My children will never get a state pension.
I worked hard when I was young which allowed me to play hard. My kids will have so much debt that they will never afford that same luxury.
As a child and teenager I never heard of food banks. My kids know various families who have to use them.

yeah you never see students or people in their 20's partying...or going on holiday or stuff

[kirklancaster]

My son has worked in part-time jobs all through his Senior school and has racked up over £20K in 'Student Loans' thus far studying for his Law degree.

He still works part-time now and is saving hard at the same time while his friends are out partying, in a few years, when the hard studying and sacrifices which he has invested in on behalf of his future pay off by giving him a decent lifestyle, he will no doubt, be 'a lucky b*****d' to some.

[Mystic Mock]

There's always going to be struggles, that's life.

But do I think that the past generations that have been running this country have made some things worse for the Millennials? Sadly I do have to say yes. Especially when we look at stuff such as Council Houses being bought up by Landlords all because of that Margaret Thatcher policy that she made when she was in charge.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

yeah you never see students or people in their 20's partying...or going on holiday or stuff

I get what DemolitionRed is saying, his family will not be able to live out actual lives very often, it will mainly just be work, work, and more work.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Not if your my daughters generation who at 22 was saddled with more debt than most people my age accrue in a lifetime just for higher education.

Well, the thinking is if you get the higher education you also get a well paid job at the end of it which is the whole point of paying for that privilege. Then you pay it back gradually when you are employed and can afford to. Sounds fair enough to me. Student loans also include accommodation, food and utility bills - nobody can expect to get all that for free.
Too many students are accepted for and take degrees in subjects which have no specific demand in the workplace/too many after just one job.
These days, uni's accept people they wouldn't have years ago and it's not fair on the students; entry levels should be much higher and fees reduced - imo only the very brightest and those who will be most in demand to fill certain jobs should be accepted.
Not saying your daughter isn't in that category of course!

[Ammi]

..this thread topic makes me think of Mike and the Mechanics lyrics...which actually are probably quite true...




Every generation
Blames the one before
And all of their frustrations
Come beating on your door

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jet

Well, the thinking is if you get the higher education you also get a well paid job at the end of it which is the whole point of paying for that privilege. Then you pay it back gradually when you are employed and can afford to. Sounds fair enough to me. Student loans also include accommodation, food and utility bills - nobody can expect to get all that for free.
Too many students are accepted for and take degrees in subjects which have no specific demand in the workplace/too many after just one job.
These days, uni's accept people they wouldn't have years ago and it's not fair on the students; entry levels should be much higher and fees reduced - imo only the very brightest and those who will be most in demand to fill certain jobs should be accepted.
Not saying your daughter isn't in that category of course!

I think it's how expensive these fees are that's causing the controversy, not everyone can afford to pay such fees which means probably some of the brightest young people in the UK could fail to get a chance at Uni just because they're from an exceptionally poor background, is that right to you?

[James]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/576242...t-rant-tumblr/

When will these youngsters get it through their heads that few people have things handed on a plate. All generations struggle. But this latest fad of blaming previous generations does seem to suggest a refusal by some of the millenial generation to take responsibility for their life choices and instead pass the buck. Are they the generation that have had too much too soon and now expect it all without waiting and saving? Do parents need a rethink?

The comments section made an interesting read.

Another thing is that this is these kinds of opinions exist mainly on social media (and clickbaity articles) - millennials blaming the older generation, and millennials being labeled 'snowflakes'. I don't think that it reflects how people think and behave in the real world. Most people just get on with their lives and try and make the best of whatever is dealt to them.

The writer of the Tumblr post has probably read some clickbait opinion piece on his generation, and reacted with the post.

It's just a rhetorical battle.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..this thread topic makes me think of Mike and the Mechanics lyrics...which actually are probably quite true...




Every generation
Blames the one before
And all of their frustrations
Come beating on your door

That song is stuck in my head now Ammi

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I think it's how expensive these fees are that's causing the controversy, not everyone can afford to pay such fees which means probably some of the brightest young people in the UK could fail to get a chance at Uni just because they're from an exceptionally poor background, is that right to you?

No they won’t. They will simply have to pay back their fees once they get a well paid job like every other uni student.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

My son has worked in part-time jobs all through his Senior school and has racked up over £20K in 'Student Loans' thus far studying for his Law degree.

He still works part-time now and is saving hard at the same time while his friends are out partying, in a few years, when the hard studying and sacrifices which he has invested in on behalf of his future pay off by giving him a decent lifestyle, he will no doubt, be 'a lucky b*****d' to some.

Very true Kirk!

[thesheriff443]

Some people are lucky to have an option of higher education, some people go straight to a low paid job struggle their whole and die without enough to pay for their own funeral.

Lif is hard deal with it!.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Some people are lucky to have an option of higher education, some people go straight to a low paid job struggle their whole and die without enough to pay for their own funeral.

Lif is hard deal with it!.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

No they won’t. They will simply have to pay back their fees once they get a well paid job like every other uni student.

And therefore not living out their lives but instead are worried about an expensive debt to pay back.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I think it's how expensive these fees are that's causing the controversy, not everyone can afford to pay such fees which means probably some of the brightest young people in the UK could fail to get a chance at Uni just because they're from an exceptionally poor background, is that right to you?

They only pay back their fees gradually when they get a job, and then only an affordable percentage of their wages. If they don't have a job, they don't pay until they do. That's how it is in N. Ireland anyway. Is it different in the UK?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

And therefore not living out their lives but instead are worried about an expensive debt to pay back.

Poor them. They can take it out of that considerably higher salary they will have over many others. Just a thought.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Some people are lucky to have an option of higher education, some people go straight to a low paid job struggle their whole and die without enough to pay for their own funeral.

Lif is hard deal with it!.

You see these kinds of posts sound like envy to me at the fact that Millennials have it "easier" on certain things than past generations.

I sense that some people want Millennials to be in loads of debt and struggling to enjoy their day to day lives and hobbies and basically be a slave to the Government on how much money they have to fork out to Uni fees. I know that not many people will agree with me on this but I don't get why some people don't want Millennials to have what the yesteryear generations had in their younger days.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

You see these kinds of posts sound like envy to me at the fact that Millennials have it "easier" on certain things than past generations.

I sense that some people want Millennials to be in loads of debt and struggling to enjoy their day to day lives and hobbies and basically be a slave to the Government on how much money they have to fork out to Uni fees. I know that not many people will agree with me on this but I don't get why some people don't want Millennials to have what the yesteryear generations had in their younger days.

I wondered when someone would try to undermine by throwing in such words as ‘envy’ or ‘jealousy’. It could be that - but it could also be based on pragmatics and the simple fact that people with degrees wil usually earn considerably more than the average wage. Why do you think most go to uni in the first place. It is always about money and lifestyle.

Of course they should pay their debts - they got free education for 18 years - why should they be entitled to more!

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I wondered when someone would try to undermine by throwing in such words as ‘envy’ or ‘jealousy’. It could be that - but it could also be based on pragmatics and the simple fact that people with degrees wil usually earn considerably more than the average wage. Why do you think most go to uni in the first place. It is always about money and lifestyle.

Of course they should pay their debts - they got free education for 18 years - why should they be entitled to more!

I'm not against them paying a fee, it's how steep the fee is that's crossing the line, I'm sure I've read a case where someone paid £1K worth of Uni fees, that's insane considering Education should not be that expensive.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm not against them paying a fee, it's how steep the fee is that's crossing the line, I'm sure I've read a case where someone paid £1K worth of Uni fees, that's insane considering Education should not be that expensive.

I’m all for further education and earning a good salary but I feel that at that point, as people will generally benefit considerably from it, they should expect to pay for the privilidge - and it is a privilidge, as another poster said, not everyone will be in the position to do so. But the fact that some don’t even seem to get that and simply see it as an entitlement speaks volumes to me.

Personally I think education is generally expensive but perhaps; if they don’t already, they could link the cost of specific courses to the average earning potential in their particular areas so some courses are more expensive than others. But basically if people want to be high earners they need to pay for the education that will help provide that in my opinion.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

You see these kinds of posts sound like envy to me at the fact that Millennials have it "easier" on certain things than past generations.

I sense that some people want Millennials to be in loads of debt and struggling to enjoy their day to day lives and hobbies and basically be a slave to the Government on how much money they have to fork out to Uni fees. I know that not many people will agree with me on this but I don't get why some people don't want Millennials to have what the yesteryear generations had in their younger days.

Back then there were far fewer numbers accepted for uni, and those that were had to pay for accommodation, utilities etc without the benefit of loans, which meant some just couldn't afford to go at all.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Personally I think education is generally expensive but perhaps; if they don’t already, they could link the cost of specific courses to the average earning potential in their particular areas so some courses are more expensive than others. But basically if people want to be high earners they need to pay for the education that will help provide that in my opinion.

Thisnis what really confuses me; the fact that all courses have basically the same (the maximum) fee when the actual content obviously doesn't have the same cost? For example, I've studied a (ridiculous) tonne of things at University. English language and literature, philosophy, psychology, politics, economics, computer science... And many of the courses just aren't comparable if they were to be taken to degree level. For example, philosophy and English literature are VERY light on class time for obvious reasons; a lot of the course is reading, writing essays, and self driven study and that's how it should be and the only way it can be. On the flip side, Computer Science involves dozens of hours of lab time per week, lots of tutorial and face time with staff, access to expensive equipment and software, etc. Psychology, economics, politics fall somewhere in the middle. It doesn't really make sense that a year's tuition for a self driven study course like Philosophy, and a year's tuition for a heavy technical course like CompSci, have the same tuition fee.