[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

They're negative because I disagree with the OP.

They continue to be negative because I'm then being challenged for being a man and having an opinion on women.

80% of the posts were negative because certain people decided to carry on their little games from another thread but that's mostly now been deleted.

In the transphobic thread you, and others, consistently dismissed womens’ views on an issue that affects their privacy and safety - that suggested an element of hostility towards women and their rights.

It raised the issue of misogyny for me so I posted a thread on it. As far as subject matter is concerned I am playing no games and this thread has nothing to do with my response to your general game-playing in many threads. Believe me you really are not that relevant.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

In the transphobic thread you, and others, consistently dismissed womens’ views on an issue that affects their privacy and safety - that suggested an element of hostility towards women and their rights.

It raised the issue of misogyny for me so I posted a thread on it. As far as subject matter is concerned I am playing no games and this thread has nothing to do with my response to your general game-playing in many threads. Believe me you really are not that relevant.

No I really didnt.

All of your personal posts attacking me were deleted this morning so pack it in, eh?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No I really didnt.

All of your personal posts attacking me were deleted this morning so pack it in, eh?

I assume your personal attacking posts to me were too - if not I would want to know why.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Do you think if women were bigger and generally stronger than men this situation would be reversed?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Do you think if women were bigger and generally stronger than men this situation would be reversed?

Quite possibly

[Beso]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Do you think if women were bigger and generally stronger than men this situation would be reversed?

Id be doing the dishes a lot more, thats for sure.

[Vicky.]

I genuinely do not see why misogyny is not a hate crime to start with.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Do you think if women were bigger and generally stronger than men this situation would be reversed?

I have wondered this a lot.

I think the situation being as it is is a mix between women being physically less able to fight off attackers AND male socialization. So if there was a random reverse in strength, I think attacks on women would lessen to a large degree but I don't think that women would start attacking men instead and behaving the way men do. Unless there was also a change in how boys/girls are brought up at the same time. But even then I am not sure women would be attacking men on such a level because I think testosterone plays a large part in the aggressive side of so many mens behaviour too. So again, I guess if women started taking steroids along with the other changes...then possibly it might completely reverse

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I genuinely do not see why misogyny is not a hate crime to start with.


I have wondered this a lot.

I think the situation being as it is is a mix between women being physically less able to fight off attackers AND male socialization. So if there was a random reverse in strength, I think attacks on women would lessen to a large degree but I don't think that women would start attacking men instead and behaving the way men do. Unless there was also a change in how boys/girls are brought up at the same time. But even then I am not sure women would be attacking men on such a level because I think testosterone plays a large part in the aggressive side of so many mens behaviour too. So again, I guess if women started taking steroids along with the other changes...then possibly it might completely reverse

Well for one, there isn't enough prison spaces to accommodate million's of men (I'm assuming this rule is only for men?)

Is misandry also a hate crime?

[Marsh.]

And I will apologise to Niamh and Livia if I have at all come across aggressive or rude. I suppose the way this thread started and the sour tone stuck throughout. Maybe I got a little defensive.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

And I will apologise to Niamh and Livia if I have at all come across aggressive or rude. I suppose the way this thread started and the sour tone stuck throughout. Maybe I got a little defensive.

OMG i am SHOOK, i like this sweet side of you Marsh

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

OMG i am SHOOK, i like this sweet side of you Marsh

I'm always sweet.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

And I will apologise to Niamh and Livia if I have at all come across aggressive or rude. I suppose the way this thread started and the sour tone stuck throughout. Maybe I got a little defensive.

No worries, I mean it's good subject, I hate when we have to close or delete stuff because we can't all just talk about the actual topic. This one in particular seems to get very emotive lately though (and I know I've kind of took it offtopic a bit as well, sorry about that but atleast we kind of understand where we're all coming from a bit more)

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

And I will apologise to Niamh and Livia if I have at all come across aggressive or rude. I suppose the way this thread started and the sour tone stuck throughout. Maybe I got a little defensive.

You aren’t the only one who gets a little defensive when they feel under attack though. And the reasons why I and others have also felt defensive are evident in the previous thread and are reflected in your most recent comment implying it is all really down to me and nothing to do with you.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No worries, I mean it's good subject, I hate when we have to close or delete stuff because we can't all just talk about the actual topic. This one in particular seems to get very emotive lately though (and I know I've kind of took it offtopic a bit as well, sorry about that but atleast we kind of understand where we're all coming from a bit more)

[Nicky91]

don't get me wrong or if it sounds nasty or rude, but serious debates well you usually have heated conversations in debates anyway, especially when it's about something what hits you emotionally

[Vicky.]

Biological works just fine for me tbh. You have biological women, transwomen, biological men and trans men.

Though tbh, the only way to actually be a man, rather than a transman, or a woman rather than a transwoman is biologically.

Cis is almost always used in a sneery/negative way. It also assumes that you identify with all of the stereotypes forced onto you because of your sex. Plus, I have been told many times that I am 'just cis' when this is not actually the case at all given I do not have a 'gender' at all and do not follow that religious type thinking of gendered souls and whatnot. But when I state I am not actually cis, I am told I am wrong

[montblanc]

sis

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Biological works just fine for me tbh. You have biological women, transwomen, biological men and trans men.

Though tbh, the only way to actually be a man, rather than a transman, or a woman rather than a transwoman is biologically.

Cis is almost always used in a sneery/negative way. It also assumes that you identify with all of the stereotypes forced onto you because of your sex. Plus, I have been told many times that I am 'just cis' when this is not actually the case at all given I do not have a 'gender' at all and do not follow that religious type thinking of gendered souls and whatnot. But when I state I am not actually cis, I am told I am wrong

hey why aren't you allowed to know your gender?

But yes Biological now you mention it is what it should be. Like if you're adopted you have a mother who isn't your biological mother but she's still your mother, wouldn't that be the same?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Biological works just fine for me tbh. You have biological women, transwomen, biological men and trans men.

Though tbh, the only way to actually be a man, rather than a transman, or a woman rather than a transwoman is biologically.

Cis is almost always used in a sneery/negative way. It also assumes that you identify with all of the stereotypes forced onto you because of your sex. Plus, I have been told many times that I am 'just cis' when this is not actually the case at all given I do not have a 'gender' at all and do not follow that religious type thinking of gendered souls and whatnot. But when I state I am not actually cis, I am told I am wrong

There does seem to be a link with cis to sister. Out of interest a sister company is described as “less important or supplementary to”.

Just a thought but I wonder if transgenders want to see themselves as more relevant in some way in the modern world - special because they see their situation as more difficult, perhaps feel they have had more to endure (bearing in mind the word was thought up by the LGBT community apparently) and this is their own little way of feeling like real women by allocating the word cis to biological women. Like some kind of silent protest.

I agree biological is the word - it is factual and to the point - not some made-up word in the minds of those with their own situation in mind.

[Tom4784]

The crimes listed should be considered crimes and they are for the most part but I think the umbrella term it comes under is wrong, it's sexual harassment and assault and it should simply be called that, in an age where sexual attacks against men are high profile and being talked about, I'm not sure if it's the right move to class sexual crimes as misogyny since some people will take it as that it only affects women, which, undoubtedly they are the main victims but potentially making it out to be a problem that only affects women could affect male victims willingness to come forward.

I think it would just be a better move to simply put more resources into preventing and solving sexual crimes as a whole.

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The crimes listed should be considered crimes and they are for the most part but I think the umbrella term it comes under is wrong, it's sexual harassment and assault and it should simply be called that, in an age where sexual attacks against men are high profile and being talked about, I'm not sure if it's the right move to class sexual crimes as misogyny since some people will take it as that it only affects women.

I think it would just be a better move to simply put more resources into preventing and solving sexual crimes as a whole.

[Livia]

Misogyny is a hate crime. Like racism. When there's a discussion about someone being the victim of racist abuse, I never see anyone arguing that white people get abused too so we should all be lumped in together, black, white, brown.... But mention misogyny and you'll see men using that same strange argument over and over again.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Livia

Misogyny is a hate crime. Like racism. When there's a discussion about someone being the victim of racist abuse, I never see anyone arguing that white people get abused too so we should all be lumped in together, black, white, brown.... But mention misogyny and you'll see men using that same strange argument over and over again.

Exactly. There is always some excuse to attempt to undermine misogyny and as such treat it differently. I think some men are uncomfortable with its meaning and may be able to identify with it to some degree but refuse to acknowledge it. If it has no name it doesn’t exist.

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Exactly. There is always some excuse to attempt to undermine misogyny and as such treat it differently. I think some men are uncomfortable with its meaning and may be able to identify with it to some degree but refuse to acknowledge it. If it has no name it doesn’t exist.

yes! & the toxic masculinity in our society is probably a factor in why the men that do identify with it to some degree refuse to acknowledge it

sad how supporting women isn't an expectation in the male community

[Vicky.]

I don't doubt that transsexual people face problems in their lives. I mean, living with dysphoria about your sexed body must be horrific. But the experiences of transsexual males (transwomen..its easier to use sex to describe what I am talking about) is NOT the same as womens. Of course not all women have the same experiences, but the one thing we all have in common is actually being female. Transwomen are not female.

Transgender is such a useless term tbh, people think it means transsexual but it does not. I have no issue accepting transsexual people. But I refuse to call transvetites and such women, they are not women. Even transsexual women are not actually women but I will call them that if it helps them deal with dysphoria. I still do acknowledge that they are male though, and so do they, on the whole.

Biological makes the most sense. And everyone understands what it means too. There are so many negative aspects of 'cis'..as I said it assumes that you believe in gendered souls and that you 'identify' with feminine stereotypes or whatever. And it is generally used as a term of abuse, from what I have seen. Not on here, but elsewhere. Its never really used as a 'neutral' type term, its loaded. And its just nonsense. Biological women, transwomen, biological men, transmen makes sense to me and I don't understand how this could possibly be offensive as is claimed.