[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Sticks

There is a 100% solution to preventing so called upskirting, wear trousers, it's not rocket science.

I suppose if you walk in the street with money in your pocket, you're asking to be mugged too?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Sticks

we have quite enough laws on the statute book thank you very much!!!

Oh well, we have too many laws. Oh dear, how inconvenient for the perverts. Let's cut them some slack. Poor things.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Sticks

There is a 100% solution to preventing so called upskirting, wear trousers, it's not rocket science.

This logic is bizarre. It's akin to saying "There's a 100% solution to rape... chastity belts!"

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by Sticks

There is a 100% solution to preventing so called upskirting, wear trousers, it's not rocket science.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Sticks

No it won't - it will be talked out of time, and rightly so.

Besides it is not needed as there are already adequate laws to deal with this. We do not need to waste parliamentary time to create a new law that can send people to prison when we have quite enough laws on the statute book thank you very much!!!

Such people as this MP are a welcome check and balance system when people all start jumping on bandwagons needlessly. Anyone remember the fiasco of the Dangerous Dogs Act?

There is a 100% solution to preventing so called upskirting, wear trousers, it's not rocket science.

Oh and before you ask, I have absolutely no interest in looking up any skirt whatsoever

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by Sticks

No it won't - it will be talked out of time, and rightly so.

Besides it is not needed as there are already adequate laws to deal with this. We do not need to waste parliamentary time to create a new law that can send people to prison when we have quite enough laws on the statute book thank you very much!!!

Such people as this MP are a welcome check and balance system when people all start jumping on bandwagons needlessly. Anyone remember the fiasco of the Dangerous Dogs Act?

There is a 100% solution to preventing so called upskirting, wear trousers, it's not rocket science.

Oh and before you ask, I have absolutely no interest in looking up any skirt whatsoever

[lime]

Originally Posted by Sticks

No it won't - it will be talked out of time, and rightly so.

Besides it is not needed as there are already adequate laws to deal with this. We do not need to waste parliamentary time to create a new law that can send people to prison when we have quite enough laws on the statute book thank you very much!!!

Such people as this MP are a welcome check and balance system when people all start jumping on bandwagons needlessly. Anyone remember the fiasco of the Dangerous Dogs Act?

There is a 100% solution to preventing so called upskirting, wear trousers, it's not rocket science.

Oh and before you ask, I have absolutely no interest in looking up any skirt whatsoever

Allthough my English is not great ...I read your post and tried again incase I missunderstood it ...but sadly no....Your idea of rocket science is for women not to wear skirts...???the world is gone mad now Stick's...I saw a woman driving a car last week....I/m still not the better of it

[Maru]

And the whole time I thought "OBJECT" meant we were having a conversation about objectifying women... maybe they misinterpreted what he really was trying to say.

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by lime

Allthough my English is not great ...I read your post and tried again incase I missunderstood it ...but sadly no....Your idea of rocket science is for women not to wear skirts...???the world is gone mad now Stick's...I saw a woman driving a car last week....I/m still not the better of it

This is an expression. There is a similar expression to "It's not rocket science" which is "It's not brain surgery"

Rocket science is seen as very difficult to do and only done by very very clever people as rocketry requires things like engineering, fuel issues, telemetry, ballistics, trajectories, avionics, electronics, aerodynamics, software engineering, space medicine.

Likewise Brain surgery is also seen as very a highly specialised branch of medicine.

When someone says something is not rocket science it means that it should not be hard to understand, grasp or carry out

What I said was that, in the absence of any legislation banning upskirting, and if some believe existing laws are not sufficient, the easiest way to thwart those deviant scum bags carrying out upskirting, is to wear trousers.

This is something, at least in Newcastle most women already do, of their own choice. The most popular form seemed to be jeans.

[Scarlett.]

Why the **** would anyone ever try to block this?

[jaxie]

I wonder why he did that. There doesn't seem to be any reason for his ciew in the article.

[montblanc]

vile

[Vicky.]

Well he is quite clearly a pervert

Don't think it can count as slander or whatever when he votes to block something like this, he is clearly showing us who he is, and what he is.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well he is quite clearly a pervert

Don't think it can count as slander or whatever when he votes to block something like this, he is clearly showing us who he is, and what he is.

im tempted to call him a dickhead, but it may be he wants full democratic process to be followed rather than it just going straight through. At the moment i'm favouring dickhead

[kirklancaster]

"Object"

Sir Christopher Chope, are you a dope?
Because your conduct is very suspect
To scupper this bill of your own free will
By standing and shouting ' Object!"
We don't all agree when pissed off by P.C.
That this is the right way to fight back
And now you deserve, the title 'Lord Perv'
'Cos I think you did it Just For The CRACK.

(And the bum, and anything else you hope to see looking up skirts you sad bastard)

[Sticks]

It is not blaming a woman when you are mearly advising on how to take precautions on how to prevent something happening. Am I blaming a house holder on what to do to prevent burglars from breaking in to their house? Oh these poor house holders, they should not have to lock their doors and windows, we should be getting people not to break in

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Sticks

It is not blaming a woman when you are mearly advising on how to take precautions on how to prevent something happening. Am I blaming a house holder on what to do to prevent burglars from breaking in to their house? Oh these poor house holders, they should not have to lock their doors and windows, we should be getting people not to break in

You think it's unreasonable to ask people not to stick a camera up someone's skirt to take pictures of their underwear/genitalia?

Why should they have to wear trousers?

I suppose they should wear a zip up hoodie to, to prevent any man from sticking their hands down their tops?

[Ashley.]

Feminism is outdated... We no longer live in a male-dominated society... Yeah, right.

Originally Posted by Sticks

It is not blaming a woman when you are mearly advising on how to take precautions on how to prevent something happening. Am I blaming a house holder on what to do to prevent burglars from breaking in to their house? Oh these poor house holders, they should not have to lock their doors and windows, we should be getting people not to break in

We shouldn't have to think twice about what we're wearing for the sake of men's pervertedness.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Feminism is outdated... We no longer live in a male-dominated society... Yeah, right.



We shouldn't have to think twice about what we're wearing for the sake of men's pervertedness.

Tbf, there's no law that can ever exist that could protect us from some men's perverted-ness or alleviate the need to be vigilant. Women should be aware of their surroundings at all time. The latter attitude is what gets some people hurt... at best the laws and law enforcement can deter, but they can't prevent crime so we have to stay vigilant.

In school, they taught my husband to park in reverse so he could see anyone approaching. I got on him about parking my car that way in our driveway, because I can't see my driver side... means I will have to walk around the other side of the car at night where it is not lit and could be someone sitting next to the car waiting... someone tried to pull his rear door once to try to get into the back and he reacted quick enough to spook them and take off... but he is trained to be on the look out for these things and noticed him following.

Anyway, I don't know what I would do to prevent upskirting other than to wear opaque clothes... I don't wear sheer too often as it is super humid here. Unless I'm going to the beach, I generally wear opaque leggings with skirts/dresses. If I wear sheer/no leggings, it's to church or to a wedding... ironically enough. Not that it can't happen there either... I'm sure it quite possibly does, as a lot of women dress up to church on Sunday morning.

I guess don't go to the bathroom in a public place or watch our surroundings?

(Edit) I think keeping online on sites like Nextdoor (neighborhood social media network) helps too... they often report nearby criminal activity and if they find a camera for instance hidden in a bathroom or a skimmer on a gas station pump, they will share it on there. It's in the US, but not sure if they have Nextdoor in the UK or not.

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

We shouldn't have to think twice about what we're wearing for the sake of men's pervertedness.

I used to know a wife of an evangelist who would take issue with you on that.

She had absolutely no sympathy for women who complained about sexual harassment from men, because these women were wearing sexually provocative and enticing clothing. Her rebuff to these women was "If you are not selling, don't advertise"

This gets back to my analogy of the house holder, are you saying that people should be allowed to go out, leave their doors and windows unlocked, and not expect to be robbed by any passing thief. Of course householders don't do that, when we go out, we make sure windows and doors are locked, and those of us with them set burglar alarms. We take precautions because we live in a fallen world.

I thought feminism was about women taking more control of their lives, so they should take control of what they wear, taking into account that some men are uncouth and hedonistic. Surely this is the equivalent of locking a front door, again it is not rocket science.

Why do we need to waste valuable parliamentary time, when women have the ability to prevent this antisocial activity by adjusting what they wear? We need all the parliamentary time there is to sort out Brexit...

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Sticks

I used to know a wife of an evangelist who would take issue with you on that.

She had absolutely no sympathy for women who complained about sexual harassment from men, because these women were wearing sexually provocative and enticing clothing. Her rebuff to these women was "If you are not selling, don't advertise"

This gets back to my analogy of the house holder, are you saying that people should be allowed to go out, leave their doors and windows unlocked, and not expect to be robbed by any passing thief. Of course householders don't do that, when we go out, we make sure windows and doors are locked, and those of us with them set burglar alarms. We take precautions because we live in a fallen world.

I thought feminism was about women taking more control of their lives, so they should take control of what they wear, taking into account that some men are uncouth and hedonistic. Surely this is the equivalent of locking a front door, again it is not rocket science.

Why do we need to waste valuable parliamentary time, when women have the ability to prevent this antisocial activity by adjusting what they wear? We need all the parliamentary time there is to sort out Brexit...

Out of interest, would you be okay with someone taking a picture of your cock at a public urinal?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Sticks

I used to know a wife of an evangelist who would take issue with you on that.

She had absolutely no sympathy for women who complained about sexual harassment from men, because these women were wearing sexually provocative and enticing clothing. Her rebuff to these women was "If you are not selling, don't advertise"

Really? The wife of an evangelist said that? No. Never. This can't be true etc.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Sticks

I used to know a wife of an evangelist who would take issue with you on that.

She had absolutely no sympathy for women who complained about sexual harassment from men, because these women were wearing sexually provocative and enticing clothing. Her rebuff to these women was "If you are not selling, don't advertise"

This gets back to my analogy of the house holder, are you saying that people should be allowed to go out, leave their doors and windows unlocked, and not expect to be robbed by any passing thief. Of course householders don't do that, when we go out, we make sure windows and doors are locked, and those of us with them set burglar alarms. We take precautions because we live in a fallen world.

I thought feminism was about women taking more control of their lives, so they should take control of what they wear, taking into account that some men are uncouth and hedonistic. Surely this is the equivalent of locking a front door, again it is not rocket science.

Why do we need to waste valuable parliamentary time, when women have the ability to prevent this antisocial activity by adjusting what they wear? We need all the parliamentary time there is to sort out Brexit...

Single man, are you?

Maybe we need some legislation that women should all cover themselves with burkas, rather than actually prosecuting the sick perverts who take upskirt pictures.

[bots]

People shouldn't drive, its their own fault if they get in an accident. You dared to cross a road and got knocked down? Shouldn't have left your house when you can get Amazon to deliver.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Sticks

I used to know a wife of an evangelist who would take issue with you on that.

She had absolutely no sympathy for women who complained about sexual harassment from men, because these women were wearing sexually provocative and enticing clothing. Her rebuff to these women was "If you are not selling, don't advertise"

This gets back to my analogy of the house holder, are you saying that people should be allowed to go out, leave their doors and windows unlocked, and not expect to be robbed by any passing thief. Of course householders don't do that, when we go out, we make sure windows and doors are locked, and those of us with them set burglar alarms. We take precautions because we live in a fallen world.

I thought feminism was about women taking more control of their lives, so they should take control of what they wear, taking into account that some men are uncouth and hedonistic. Surely this is the equivalent of locking a front door, again it is not rocket science.

Why do we need to waste valuable parliamentary time, when women have the ability to prevent this antisocial activity by adjusting what they wear? We need all the parliamentary time there is to sort out Brexit...

She sounds like an absolute twat of a person tbh.

People have a right to wear what they want without fear of being attacked, they have a right not to be blamed for the actions of others. No matter how you cut it you are blaming victims in place of condemning their harassers/attackers and citing an awful woman as an example doesn't change that, using the female equivalent of 'my friend is black so it's okay' doesn't validate your argument.

You are ultimately part of the problem, your attitude is indicative of why so many women will continue to suffer in silence because the system makes that preferable to reporting these crimes and having the victims be the ones on trial.

The fact that, in your posts on this subject, I don't think I've seen a single line of condemnation towards people who commits these acts says it all really. You believe in victim blaming, you are an apologist.