[Niamh.]

Poor men

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Poor men

To be serious though, no one knows whether she is being continually groped or pestered by these creeps, or whether he himself had already been 'suggestive' and 'leery' with her prior to him touching her bottom, and if so her reaction is perfectly understandable in my book.

In any event - I think that he got his comeuppance.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The TL had her bum groped in Lisbon when she was 14 by a young Portuguese man and she punched him to the ground ( and I dont doubt her)

we both agreed he probably never did it again

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The TL had her bum groped in Lisbon when she was 14 by a young Portuguese man and she punched him to the ground ( and I dont doubt her)

we both agreed he probably never did it again

By an adult man when she was 14? That's doubly bad good for her though

[Northern Monkey]

Don’t get me wrong.I think he deserved it.If he’d done that to the Mrs i’d have given him a crack.I’d also be arrested for assault....

I also think the cops probably should’ve told her that revenge isn’t the answer in the eyes of the law.She did chase him and assault him.

The real test I suppose is if the same action is taken with other similar incidents.The law could be different there.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Don’t get me wrong.I think he deserved it.If he’d done that to the Mrs i’d have given him a crack.I’d also be arrested for assault....

I also think the cops probably should’ve told her that revenge isn’t the answer in the eyes of the law.She did chase him and assault him.

The real test I suppose is if the same action is taken with other similar incidents.The law could be different there.

That's my boy.

[Eddie.]

Loads of respect for this woman.

[Ammi]

...I do understand what Goldheart is saying but I’m completely on board with Niamh in this......’what if it was a man who body slammed a woman’, type thing just completely detracts and diminishes the action of the first thing, the whole thing that caused any reaction..the personal violation and disrespect to that woman in thinking it was ok in some way to pat her bottom...this story would never have caught media attention at all if she hadn’t body slammed him...that’s the only reason why it has because patting a bottom of a female is just not news worthy...not really of importance in terms of news stories or public interest...I mean females are having their bottoms patted in 2018...so what, didn’t they have their bottoms patted in 2017 and 2016 and 2015 and 2014 etc, etc...well there’s nothing unusual in that surely...why would that be newsworthy...but a woman body slamming an idiot man as a reaction...slam dunk, it’s news worthy stuff.....


...and I do understand a man could have his bottom patted randomly by a woman as well, while he’s just there going about his job like she was...well it’s up to the man and the individual as to their reaction if that happens to them...it’s also up to men to scream and shout ‘this is a real issue we as men have’...something women have been screaming and shouting about for a long time...when a news story comes along about a man who has body slammed a woman for thinking it’s ok to pat his bottom then that’s something to discuss as well in equality to this ...but this is not ‘that story’...this is not that incident that actually happened and this is not something that should be diminished and distracted from in any way...in my opinion...

...I don’t condone any act of physical violence in any way but in all of those years of 2018, 2017, 2016, 2015, 2014 ..and beyond etc...some men still seem to find it an ok and acceptable thing to do which this idiot did...so maybe a little body slam will help catch up with that thought process..?...maybe finally for him..?...maybe it was the only (extreme) way to catch his attention..?...


....anyways he didn’t just disrespect one female..he showed disrespect for two, his partner as well...he also disrespected his children out having their family meal...so that body slam wasn’t just a reaction to the disrespect shown to her...she did it for the partners and the children of as well.... a hero of the people...a hero of other men who would never have thought that, that was ok...I think the only thing that would have had me smile more with this...is if it had been an older lady of 50 or 60yrs or something who had, had her bottom patted by a man and she slam dunked that chap to the floor...because that would have been a bit more of the ‘unexpected’...women in general don’t body slam men to the floor for patting their bottom, which is why the newsworthiness...but pfft to the bottom patting in terms of newsworthy because it can be a fairly every day occurrence....


...and yeah, as has been said in this thread by some men...’if I was walking down the street/having a meal’ etc with my wife/partner and a man patted the bottom of them...not on my watch they wouldn’t, I wouldn’t be having that...but I would say it would be a lot less likely to happen, that an idiot man like this would think it’s ok to do what he did with a woman who had a male partner by her side or was in the company of...?...but I doubt it would be out of respect to the woman that, that would be less likely to happen...but more out of respect for the man or more out of respect for the idiot mans own safety...that body slamming would be much more anticipated and weighed up in it all...but the point is, no matter what the situation...whether walking down the street or going about a job or whatever...or whether with a male partner or not with anyone ....it’s just not acceptable to do what he did in any way whatsoever and it shouldn’t still be in the mindset of any 2018 man to think it’s ok....

[Ammi]

...rant..

[jaxie]

Feel a bit sorry for his girlfriend as well, says she was there at the time. What an embarrassment.

[rusticgal]

The girl did good...he got what he deserved. Goldheart was merely implying if a man did that to a woman if she inappropriately touched him it would have been seen in a different light...imagine a man throwing a woman to the ground like that would not be seen as acceptable.. I see the point. Goldheart is not undermining the offence by any means, just making a point.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

The girl did good...he got what he deserved. Goldheart was merely implying if a man did that to a woman if she inappropriately touched him it would have been seen in a different light...imagine a man throwing a woman to the ground like that would not be seen as acceptable.. I see the point. Goldheart is not undermining the offence by any means, just making a point.

Thank you

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

The girl did good...he got what he deserved. Goldheart was merely implying if a man did that to a woman if she inappropriately touched him it would have been seen in a different light...imagine a man throwing a woman to the ground like that would not be seen as acceptable.. I see the point. Goldheart is not undermining the offence by any means, just making a point.

I know what Goldeart was saying, its just every bloody time something like this happens, "what about the men" is brought up, it's annoying, that's all I was saying

[Cherie]

Bum gropes Bum

[user104658]

"Waitress who groped body gets bum-slammed"

WHOLE different story.

[Niamh.]

Perfectly put Ammi

[user104658]

I'm not excusing his actions or even condemning hers (they are understandable) - but any form of violence from anyone is never the right choice and should only ever be a last resort. Being totally blunt... no matter what he did, if he had hit his head awkwardly and died or suffered serious injury when she threw him down, she would have been charged and ended up in jail or (at the very least) with a violent criminal record. It's just the "stupid choice" - ALWAYS - Unless you are actively defending yourself from injury... and I do think it's important for people to remember that.

I also think shouting "Excuse me sir, would you mind not groping me?!? This man is going around groping women.", pointing at him, and making sure everyone in the room knew what he was doing would have been suitably shaming, and his partner would have known. If anything it might have been more effective, as the physical retaliation distracts from the actual issue.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not excusing his actions or even condemning hers (they are understandable) - but any form of violence from anyone is never the right choice and should only ever be a last resort. Being totally blunt... no matter what he did, if he had hit his head awkwardly and died or suffered serious injury when she threw him down, she would have been charged and ended up in jail or (at the very least) with a violent criminal record. It's just the "stupid choice" - ALWAYS - Unless you are actively defending yourself from injury... and I do think it's important for people to remember that.

I also think shouting "Excuse me sir, would you mind not groping me?!? This man is going around groping women.", pointing at him, and making sure everyone in the room knew what he was doing would have been suitably shaming, and his partner would have known. If anything it might have been more effective, as the physical retaliation distracts from the actual issue.

In a situation like that I don't imagine it's a case of sitting back an considering the best course of action, it isn't so much an action as a reaction

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

In a situation like that I don't imagine it's a case of sitting back an considering the best course of action, it isn't so much an action as a reaction

True, but that's where self control comes in because like I said... if you seriously injure or kill someone you're still going to face serious consequences. I'm not even saying he didn't deserve it. It's just always the wrong choice whether it's a snap decision or planned. It's easier to badly hurt someone than people realise, all it takes is one punch in the wrong place, or one shove and a bad fall.

Anyone can think of countless times in their lives when they've wanted to hit someone, and when that person has 100% deserved a smack in the mouth... I know I have... but there are very good reasons for not going there .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

True, but that's where self control comes in because like I said... if you seriously injure or kill someone you're still going to face serious consequences. I'm not even saying he didn't deserve it. It's just always the wrong choice whether it's a snap decision or planned. It's easier to badly hurt someone than people realise, all it takes is one punch in the wrong place, or one shove and a bad fall.

Anyone can think of countless times in their lives when they've wanted to hit someone, and when that person has 100% deserved a smack in the mouth... I know I have... but there are very good reasons for not going there .

I disagree, if you put your hands on a person like that then you need to learn some self control or else you may end up getting hurt

*the royal you, not you personally obvs

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I disagree, if you put your hands on a person like that then you need to learn some self control or else you may end up getting hurt

I don't disagree with that either, but it doesn't change the fact that if things go unexpectedly wrong, you could end up in prison. Violence is always the wrong choice both morally and legally unless it's a response to actual physical danger (either yourself or someone else). If he had physically grabbed her, or even cornered her or something, then it would be totally justifiable but with the situation being what it was, there were better ways of dealing with it (e.g. informing other staff, drawing other customer's attention to him, and telling his partner what he did).

I'm not condemning her, people react in anger understandably, and **** happens... I don't feel sorry for the guy getting floored... I just don't think it's right or responsible for it to be encouraged.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not excusing his actions or even condemning hers (they are understandable) - but any form of violence from anyone is never the right choice and should only ever be a last resort. Being totally blunt... no matter what he did, if he had hit his head awkwardly and died or suffered serious injury when she threw him down, she would have been charged and ended up in jail or (at the very least) with a violent criminal record. It's just the "stupid choice" - ALWAYS - Unless you are actively defending yourself from injury... and I do think it's important for people to remember that.

I also think shouting "Excuse me sir, would you mind not groping me?!? This man is going around groping women.", pointing at him, and making sure everyone in the room knew what he was doing would have been suitably shaming, and his partner would have known. If anything it might have been more effective, as the physical retaliation distracts from the actual issue.

I see the point but she obviously just reacted in the heat of the moment , maybe this has happened to her before . Nobody should be disrespected this way . Luckily she didn't kill him or get in trouble herself.

The common response is a slap across the face like i said , but this woman clearly had enough and was angry. Also would shaming him vocally of made much difference? hmm.... but again i understand but tbh waiters and waitress's take too much crap as it is and they always have to remain "professional" so it's hard to remain calm when some creep touches you inappropriately .


I do agree though that in some situations things can escalate far too quickly. we've all heard factual stories of fights breaking out and people dying and it never had to end that way .

[arista]

I can see why the Owner released
the video
he is getting more Customers and FREE Publicity.


She should do a guest appearance
on WWE Live

[Niamh.]

I just find it interesting that Northern Monkey (who seems to have a similar opinion to you TS) says what you do, 2 wrongs don't make a right etc yet also says if someone did it to his g/f he would punch them

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I just find it interesting that Northern Monkey (who seems to have a similar opinion to you TS) says what you do, 2 wrongs don't make a right etc yet also says if someone did it to his g/f he would punch them

And i would be wrong too as I would more than likely get arrested for retaliating to that.

Same if i threw a woman to the floor who’d just groped me.I’d be the one in handcuffs.

Retaliation is a bad decision even if it’s a natural one.

I don’t think anyone’s saying they don’t understand why she did it.

The emotional response is to think.’Well done lass the dickhead deserved it’.
But as outsiders we can look at it from a common sense pov too i think.