[Gusto Brunt]

What's the difference between Natalie and Bear/Marc?

A male member I think.

[JerseyWins]

I just don't understand the people that say Bear harassed or bullied others while Natalie hasn't? They've made similar "attacks" on people and they each even come out of their antics with a big obnoxious smile on their face

They're different people though but I think they come from the same "goading" cloth they just go about it in different ways. Natalie is more about having issues with people and challenging/confronting them on everything while Bear is more about being a careless troll with people in his confrontations.

(even if I think they're both kinda tame really and people bring out the bully accusations too easily)

[Alf]

The difference is probably a gut and a chin.

[Matthew.]

Natalie’s just argumentative, Bear threw housemates’ food on the floor and was an actual threat (purposefully spilling oil on the floor, throwing glass bottles)

haven’t seen Marc’s series so i can’t say anything about him

[reece(:]

Bear assaulted Sam Fox!

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I think the differenve between Natalie and Bear is that she isn't being offensive or purposefully antagonistic. Bear was doing things to goad a reaction from others and Marc just irritated me because he felt like he was put in by producers to stir it up it never felt natural to me.

Natalie feels completely real to me and is some of it petty? yeah perhaps but I would rather see her kick off over a wet seat that endure the showmances for the rest of the series.

She has made a career out of being purposely antagonistic, that's literally all she is know for lol...

[Withano]

They all serve the same main purpose.

Being ***** for airtime.

Natalie more cruel, Bear more childish, Marc more intrusive, never watched Helen - but they all use the same main tactic yeah. Its boring. Inauthentic, staged, and detracts from any natural social interaction.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Bear assaulted Sam Fox!

OUR Sam?

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Is this a serious question ?

It absolutely is. All housemates mentioned in the OP have set up - or been set up by producers - to create a "whole house vs. 1 housemate" storyline that will inevitably run on for weeks and weeks and weeks until the 290 remaining viewers crown someone else out of pity, or the antagonist for "making the series". Ad nauseum.

I find it difficult to take this forum's desire for "back to basics Big Brother" seriously if they're going to continue to endorse this same old one-person-steals-the-show charade. You can blame the casting all you want - I'd agree somewhat, this is a really samey and boring cast with around 3 showmances in the brew - but until this factor is taken out, there is literally no room for any other tensions and conflicts to play out, because everyone in the house is exhausted by this motormouth.

[Elliot]

I’d take one-person-steals-the-show-charade over 3 showmances and more gabby any day

[Shaun]

I'm glad you can see into the future

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by BBDodge

Bear had a sense of humour.

This

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Elliot

I’d take one-person-steals-the-show-charade over 3 showmances and more gabby any day

You're right, she is stealing the show, but she's stealing it from the viewers.

She comes from fake TV (masquerading as reality TV)

[saiwong]

Natalie is not a smart reality show villain.

She just picks fights with little reason and no substance.

She just starts fights, for the sake of starting a fight

She thus comes off as a FAKE VILLIAN and its all an act, and her actions are just for the tv show

[DouglasS]

Marc and Bear were far better people and housemates.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Were they though

[JoshBB]

Bear, Helen, and Marc are all vile housemates imo. I'm not a Natalie stan but personally I don't think shes anywhere near their level of dislikability.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Dash Darington

They're all paid provocateurs (and likely sociopaths) serving the interests of production. The difference is that the guys were more charming, and a lot stronger personalities. I've seen Natalie get chased out of a room by a 67 year old woman, and get visibly flustered when the guys put her in her place during nominations. She's only really able to upset the young girls. When you watch her make a basic statement, and inexplicably laugh at what she's just said in an effort to raise a smile out of the person she's talking to, that's her attempt to be charming. She just doesn't have it. She's taken it upon herself to ask invasive questions of the other HMs, but this has backfired for the producers because she's so inept and ham-fisted that even the 'aspiring celebrities' (to use a polite term) don't want to talk about themselves while she's there.

Natalie is completely out of her depth in the role they've cast her in.

I agree with this. I do think she has some minor entertainment factor, but it is a very shallow form of entertainment without nothing else to go on beyond a veneer... I don't consider her to be talented at all. I think she has some basic acting skills, but for the most part, can't do much with her fellow HMs aside from scream and yell with no script... she's terrible at baiting as well... unless like you say, she's going after the insecure folk who are easily triggered by any harsh opinion.

I will say her opinion of celebrity was rather enlightening. She seems to have a shallow definition of that as well... I think without social media, she wouldn't even be in the house... making nasty commentary about other people in "the business" is the only way she can remain relevant... but she's desperate to be validated by her supposedly 'non-celebrity' peers, which is quite funny. Basically she's upset that she's not good enough since look at her castmates...

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Intrigued at this point to hear what sets them apart and why Marc/Helen/Bear drained their series of entertainment value and Natalie supposedly isn't?

Of course there have been good series with overbearing personalities being terrible people: Tiffany, Gemma, Kim, Charley, Nikki... the difference is they were at least funny. What stand-out moments does Natalie have? What quotes are there? All I'm hearing is noise and a god complex of "everyone's fake but me". Which is exactly what Bear did

Edit: and before anyone accuses me of coming for Natalie's fans, this question works both ways why are there so many Bear/Helen fans taking issue with her?

GREAT point, Shaun - I could not stand Bear either.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Dash Darington

They're all paid provocateurs (and likely sociopaths) serving the interests of production. The difference is that the guys were more charming, and a lot stronger personalities. I've seen Natalie get chased out of a room by a 67 year old woman, and get visibly flustered when the guys put her in her place during nominations. She's only really able to upset the young girls. When you watch her make a basic statement, and inexplicably laugh at what she's just said in an effort to raise a smile out of the person she's talking to, that's her attempt to be charming. She just doesn't have it. She's taken it upon herself to ask invasive questions of the other HMs, but this has backfired for the producers because she's so inept and ham-fisted that even the 'aspiring celebrities' (to use a polite term) don't want to talk about themselves while she's there.

Natalie is completely out of her depth in the role they've cast her in.

Superb. Hit the nail squarely on the head.

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I'm glad you can see into the future

Thx call me sally