[Alf]

The Yellow Rose of Texas is the only girl for me


Texans

Have you been to the location of the Kennedy assassination in Dallas?

What about the Stevie Ray Vaughan statue in Austin? I love Texas Blues.

Youtube video

[Twosugars]

My beef with Yanks is their ott patriotism and exceptionalism. Going on and on how they're the best country in the world. They're not, not with the problems they're having.
If it was Switzerland or Sweden, fine, I'd not mind, but USA?
They used to be seen as the promised land by the rest of the world. Obviously no more, the days of welcoming immigrants are over.
Other than that they're ok.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

My beef with Yanks is their ott patriotism and exceptionalism. Going on and on how they're the best country in the world. They're not, not with the problems they're having.
If it was Switzerland or Sweden, fine, I'd not mind, but USA?
They used to be seen as the promised land by the rest of the world. Obviously no more, the days of welcoming immigrants are over.
Other than that they're ok.

Immigrants still welcome in the USA, just not illegal ones.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

Immigrants still welcome in the USA, just not illegal ones.

Not as they used to be, not since 1920s or thereabouts.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

My beef with Yanks is their ott patriotism and exceptionalism. Going on and on how they're the best country in the world. They're not, not with the problems they're having.
If it was Switzerland or Sweden, fine, I'd not mind, but USA?
They used to be seen as the promised land by the rest of the world. Obviously no more, the days of welcoming immigrants are over.
Other than that they're ok.

So because they are becoming more rigorous in vetting just who they are letting into their country in these violent, terrorist-riddled times, they are no longer the 'Promised Land'?

And what exactly is wrong with Patriotism?
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[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

So because they are becoming more rigorous in vetting just who they are letting into their country in these violent, terrorist-riddled times, they are no longer the 'Promised Land'?

And what exactly is wrong with Patriotism?
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Read up on American exceptionalism.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Read up on American exceptionalism.

I am Grammar School educated and self-educated after that and am familiar with the concept of 'American Exceptionalism' but I now have better things to do than continuing to read up on anything else to do with lop-sided propaganda stemming from Marxism.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I am Grammar School educated and self-educated after that and am familiar with the concept of 'American Exceptionalism' but I now have better things to do than continuing to read up on anything else to do with lop-sided propaganda stemming from Marxism.

That's great as I don't see much point in debating you either

[Alf]

Nothing wrong with patriotism.

Your country is a part of you, a place to call home. We don't have much in life, don't never let the Marxists take that away from you, Or your place to call home will be the Gulags.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

Nothing wrong with patriotism.

Your country is a part of you, a place to call home. We don't have much in life, don't never let the Marxists take that away from you, Or your place to call home will be the Gulags.

Did I say there was? I'm patriotic too, but in a quiet way.
I said ott patriotism, things like flags in every front yard (or whatever it's called there), singing anthems at too many occassions,things like that. Imo, there's no need, you shouldn't need reminding like that.
And leave Marxism out of it, I actually witnessed communism as a child and its aftermath as a teenager, don't need lecturing on that. There's a middle way, you know, between constant flag-waving and communist utopia.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Did I say there was? I'm patriotic too, but in a quiet way.
I said ott patriotism, things like flags in every front yard (or whatever it's called there), singing anthems at too many occassions,things like that. Imo, there's no need, you shouldn't need reminding like that.
And leave Marxism out of it, I actually witnessed communism as a child and its aftermath as a teenager, don't need lecturing on that. There's a middle way, you know, between constant flag-waving and communist utopia.

But Ts2 - the Americans have no history and make up for it with pageantry and razzamatazz. Hell, even Micky Mouse is celebrated.

I just believe 1,000% that Americans are our allies and friends and that we would be ****ed without them, yet they are unjustly despised by certain factions in this country, who seem to have no problem with some truly hateful countries who despise us.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

But Ts2 - the Americans have no history and make up for it with pageantry and razzamatazz. Hell, even Micky Mouse is celebrated.

I just believe 1,000% that Americans are our allies and friends and that we would be ****ed without them, yet they are unjustly despised by certain factions in this country, who seem to have no problem with some truly hateful countries who despise us.

Kirk, I'm not anti-American. It's just have higher expectations of my country, of Europe and its allies.
Tbh I thought this thread was more jokey than serious, and I find American flag-waving annoying but in a friendly way.
As someone who'd seen Soviet Union up close and personal, I appreciate America. But want them and us to strive to be better rather than be complacent in their achievements iykwim.
Hell I even agree with Trump when he calls for Europe to step up Nato spending even tho I can't stand the man himself.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Kirk, I'm not anti-American. It's just have higher expectations of my country, of Europe and its allies.
Tbh I thought this thread was more jokey than serious, and I find American flag-waving annoying but in a friendly way.
As someone who'd seen Soviet Union up close and personal, I appreciate America. But want them and us to strive to be better rather than be complacent in their achievements iykwim.
Hell I even agree with Trump when he calls for Europe to step up Nato spending even tho I can't stand the man himself.

But what is the image we are going for? What we are aspiring to?... With exceptionalism, we compare all our neighbors to our own "standard", which I can't stand. I really dislike when my own countrymen do it and is a large reason for voting for Obama (which I regret now)... I've never been a fan of an ethnocentric mindset. But that's the "popular" way of thinking in the West... and that was the footwork of a lot of our current issue(s) imo...

Tbf, I don't care what others think of us and what they "appreciate". It's not important to be appreciated. I think humility is what leads to the perception that something is "harmonious"... Aah, but there is humility and then faux humility... like my opinion, that's very common in Europe, this concept of "faux" humility... look how understated we are... we don't need those big cars that the folk in the US drive and all that space... puh...

Anyway, imo, exceptionalism is baked into the Western model. Probably some of it should change... but we can't lose sight of ourselves in the process of making that change. In any case, humans are inherently tribal, and ironically it's that tribal nature that makes all these "boxes" easier to fit into, at least as best as we possibly can...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

But Ts2 - the Americans have no history and make up for it with pageantry and razzamatazz. Hell, even Micky Mouse is celebrated.

To be fair, I would say that America actually has a very rich and varied history. Especially taking into consideration how (relatively) short that history is.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair, I would say that America actually has a very rich and varied history. Especially taking into consideration how (relatively) short that history is.

...yeah totally..it may be a fairly new country in comparison to some...but fairly action packed in its history also...I guess it could be compared to a Hollywood movie in that so much has been fitted in to a shorter time span to keep our attention going throughout the movie...a little bit of everything thrown in there with the condensed but full history and never a dull moment etc...

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Did I say there was? I'm patriotic too, but in a quiet way.
I said ott patriotism, things like flags in every front yard (or whatever it's called there), singing anthems at too many occassions,things like that. Imo, there's no need, you shouldn't need reminding like that.
And leave Marxism out of it, I actually witnessed communism as a child and its aftermath as a teenager, don't need lecturing on that. There's a middle way, you know, between constant flag-waving and communist utopia.

The middle way is my way. But no harm comes from constant flag waving, so it doesn't bother me. Communism on the other hand.

[glibberglobber]

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by glibberglobber

If you put it like that it seems more acceptable

[Maru]

Btw I am happy to report I am enjoying my tea extra hot atm....

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Maru

Btw I am happy to report I am enjoying my tea extra hot atm....

You now need to move onto the next step, dunking biscuits (that's cookies in your language) in your tea.

[JerseyWins]

Ok watching the video now and this guy is an IDIOT first of all!

American sports >>>>>>>>

The rest of the world is dumb with spelling. Why add extra u's to words and pronounce words that aren't the way they're spelled?

ARE WE AMERICANS REALLY THAT LOUD?

Americans have the best food in the world. The British love some of the grossest foods I've ever seen and heard of!

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

The rest of the world is dumb with spelling. Why add extra u's to words and pronounce words that aren't the way they're spelled?

It's France's fault.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

It's France's fault.

...the French can add and rearrange and use the alphabet any which way they want to, Ashley...when their language is so much the passion and flamboyance and body/hand movement expression that it is...for me, they fairly much rule every alphabet in the world...it’s an international law.....

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

It's France's fault.

Gurl BYE, France is amazing! We are never to blame apart from strikes and eating snails.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

Gurl BYE, France is amazing! We are never to blame apart from strikes and eating snails.

Being French and into Rugby, do you have any thoughts on the Catalans Dragons making history last weekend by becoming the first non English team to win the Rugby League challenge cup?

Did you know about that? was it big news in France?