[user104658]

I love that one old bloke in a flat cap is now "a mob"

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I love that one old bloke in a flat cap is now "a mob"

Well there was the guy in Reese Mogg fancy dress and the woman with the pink hair. And no way of knowing who else was off camera.

[smudgie]

Loved the way the little boy gave his nanny a cuddle.

[MTVN]

There are a lot of people like this on the hard left that are so dogmatic that everyone they disagree with is an 'enemy', in the end they basically become bullies

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by MTVN

There are a lot of people like this on the hard left that are so dogmatic that everyone they disagree with is an 'enemy', in the end they basically become bullies

The same can be said for either side's more extreme elements. Both are as bad as each other but this whole story is basically just an attempt to paint in broad strokes.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I love how the MSM call these crazies "activists" and not far left extremists

[Withano]

Let’s be real though. It’s the Sun. They need anti-left articles because it’s the easiest way to get money from their target audience.

The closest they got this week is a frail old man asking how much Moggs nanny earns, but they tricked their readers into thinking it’s something a lot worse with a clickbaity title. It’s a shame that this is how we live now.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Let’s be real though. It’s the Sun. They need anti-left articles because it’s the easiest way to get money from their target audience.

The closest they got this week is a frail old man asking how much Moggs nanny earns, but they tricked their readers into thinking it’s something a lot worse with a clickbaity title. It’s a shame that this is how we live now.

Doesn't really matter what his age is or his fragility, he shouldn't be targetting a Nanny and young kids

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Doesn't really matter what his age is or his fragility, he shouldn't be targetting a Nanny and young kids

Perhaps not. But its barely news without the clickbaity title is it.

One unpleasant man discussing Moggs’ nanny wage wouldnt have got a tenth of the ad revenue

VILE LEFT MOB TARGETTING CHILDREN sure as **** does though

Its just a bit sad imo

Im not defending the bloke, the story isnt interesting to me. Im discussing the title - i find that far more interesting.

[MTVN]

Well they are left wing protesters and they did target his children so I'd say the title is pretty accurate. It's been a pretty big news story across all outlets and even a lot of Labour MPs have been speaking out to denounce it

If it's just dismissed as 'barely news' then this sort of thing is normalised as though politicians should just expect to be harassed with their children every time they step out their front door. Its intimidation and it puts off a lot of people from being involved in politics

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well they are left wing protesters and they did target his children so I'd say the title is pretty accurate. It's been a pretty big news story across all outlets and even a lot of Labour MPs have been speaking out to denounce it

It clearly isn't, ONE guy brought his kids into it, and it was described as "a mob" targetting the kids. Now, you could say that a mob was present, and that ONE protester targetted the children, but to suggest that an entire mob of people brought the kids into it is fake news. Deliberate fake news. AKA propaganda .

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Let’s be real though. It’s the Sun. They need anti-left articles because it’s the easiest way to get money from their target audience.

The closest they got this week is a frail old man asking how much Moggs nanny earns, but they tricked their readers into thinking it’s something a lot worse with a clickbaity title. It’s a shame that this is how we live now.

Well you aren't being very real. For a start you are promoting he idea it's one frail old man and the sun. The frail old man is a good decade younger than you claim and others present are also named in several reports.

As to it just being the sun. Try these.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...d-by-activists

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8534341.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...ob-rees-moggs/

[kirklancaster]

LMFAO.

Whinging, whining, flat-cap ignoramus 'Rag an Bone' lost the plot AND was hoisted on his own petard.

After spectacularly FAILING to intimidate the Rees-Mogg children with his leftie propaganda, and 'rattle' the ice-cool Rees Mogg himself, he then tries to 'appeal' directly to the nanny: 'Surely SHE will support me Guv - after all, she's 'downtrodden' working class like moi'.

She was having NONE of his twisted tosh and pulled the rug from under his feet by declaring how happy she is in her job and by defending Rees-Mogg.

She patently enjoys her work and has such a bond with the Rees-Mogg family that she has been in her post for 50 years, and the Rees-Mogg children so obviously love her and regard her as 'one of the family.

Rag and Bone is yet just another pathetic and deluded 'Rabble Without A Cause' leftie CLOWN.

Totally laughable.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I am surprised that some members are unaware of how the media has been operating since the invention of the printing press!

One would even suggest that its nothing more than an attempt to avoid the issue altogether?

[Vicky.]

Yeah we can only comment on what we can see, no point in speculating about what happened next That guy was a complete dick though, you just don't target kids

[Crimson Dynamo]

he has been on benefits since he left univ apparently

[user104658]

Whether or not they should have been at his home is a completely separate issue. I actually agree that politician's families should be left out of these things and it's unfair to drag them into it.

If someone was to tell me that a protest mob formed outside his home, I would agree that that's morally wrong.

If they were to add, "An obnoxious old man who was part of a protest targetted the kids"; I would say that that's even worse and WAY over the line, and that he should be ashamed of himself.


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It's still not true that there's any evidence of multiple people specifically targetting the kids, so this is still false and misleading reporting that does no one any good. What happened is bad. Let it be bad for what it is. There's been an attempt to fluff it up and make it seem even worse than it was, and that's just left behind a confusing and misleading mess that actually dilutes the seriousness of it? You hear "They were ATTACKED BY A MOB OF PROTESTERS!!" and think "Oh Jesus, how awful". The mental image is quite horrifying... then you click the link and it's Del Boy's 80 year old cousin bleating "Your daddy's not a very nice person, some people don't like your daddy very much."

And it's like "Oh. Right."

No better than a Daily Star front page headline that doesn't match up to the content of the article (or the facts) at all. Sure it happens all the time but that doesn't mean it should be accepted or encouraged, just because you happen to agree with the specific brand of "Outrage!!" that's being peddled.

[Vicky.]

https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status...25276509855747

Longer video here. Starts a bit earlier than the OP one

Still shows one (very annoying) guy doing all the shouting/talking. The others were there, but appear to be standing away from it all.

However, I do think those on what would be termed 'the hard left' are getting worse in their behaviour. The attempted silencing of anyone disagreeing, protests (that often seem to turn violent), and so on are almost rivalling those on the far right! Neither position is very good, IMO. Both are ridiculous extremes.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status...25276509855747

Longer video here. Starts a bit earlier than the OP one

Still shows one (very annoying) guy doing all the shouting/talking. The others were there, but appear to be standing away from it all.

However, I do think those on what would be termed 'the hard left' are getting worse in their behaviour. The attempted silencing of anyone disagreeing, protests (that often seem to turn violent), and so on are almost rivalling those on the far right! Neither position is very good, IMO. Both are ridiculous extremes.

True Vicky, sadly it seems like extremism from all angles is increasing, or rather, becoming emboldened. I don't necessarily think attitudes and beliefs are changing, but people are becoming more and more inclined to shout about it from the rooftops.

Its the case in all sort of small / everyday / subtle ways, too, it's not just politics. In some ways, the Kirsty Allsop "I'm proud that I smashed my kids stuff" thing is another example of it.

It even happens on this forum quite a lot... Which is really where my issue with this thread has stemmed from. Its a sort of "Well here's what I personally think is true, and that's that! How dare you question it!" that's becoming pervasive all across society. Actually separating out fact from assumption and explaining logic / reasoning behind an opinion has gone completely out the window and, in fact, people get quite heated if you ask them to explain their logic. "Wot I fink" is supposed to just be accepted, no questions asked.

I personally blame Facebook / Twitter .

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

True Vicky, sadly it seems like extremism from all angles is increasing, or rather, becoming emboldened. I don't necessarily think attitudes and beliefs are changing, but people are becoming more and more inclined to shout about it from the rooftops.

Its the case in all sort of small / everyday / subtle ways, too, it's not just politics. In some ways, the Kirsty Allsop "I'm proud that I smashed my kids stuff" thing is another example of it.

It even happens on this forum quite a lot... Which is really where my issue with this thread has stemmed from. Its a sort of "Well here's what I personally think is true, and that's that! How dare you question it!" that's becoming pervasive all across society. Actually separating out fact from assumption and explaining logic / reasoning behind an opinion has gone completely out the window and, in fact, people get quite heated if you ask them to explain their logic. "Wot I fink" is supposed to just be accepted, no questions asked.

I personally blame Facebook / Twitter .

Thats not whats happened at all, people have countered yours and others defence if taking the protest to his home and involving his family, whether they were vical or silent makes no difference it is an invasion of their privacy

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Thats not whats happened at all, people have countered yours and others defence if taking the protest to his home and involving his family, whether they were vical or silent makes no difference it is an invasion of their privacy

Except that that hasn't happened. This is what I'm talking about; people need to stick to the facts instead of just imagining what they "feel" is going on. Literally no one defended them being at their home, least of all me, all I've done is repeatedly stated the quite clear fact with video evidence that there was only one man directly addressing the children.

Maybe people for some reason wish the whole crowd HAD been verbally attacking the kids? Because it would make a better / more dramatic story that we can all get angrier about? I don't know... that's also guesswork I suppose. What I do know is that people seem pretty adamant on insisting that something happened that the video clearly showed did NOT happen, first claiming that there was more that wasn't shown in the short clip, and then when that was revealed to also be false when viewing the longer clip, the script shifted to "OH WELL they shouldn't have been there at all why are you OK with that, clearly you would think it was OK if someone did this to you!".

It's all a load of nonsense / nothing / fantasy. I just want people to discuss the actual facts. Like I said; we can all agree that them being there was unnecessary and the fellow directly addressing the kids was abhorrent... there's no NEED to sensationalise it as something more, and actually doing so just makes the whole thing a pointless, facebook-style tooth-gnashing exercise. We're better than that, is all .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

True Vicky, sadly it seems like extremism from all angles is increasing, or rather, becoming emboldened. I don't necessarily think attitudes and beliefs are changing, but people are becoming more and more inclined to shout about it from the rooftops.

Its the case in all sort of small / everyday / subtle ways, too, it's not just politics. In some ways, the Kirsty Allsop "I'm proud that I smashed my kids stuff" thing is another example of it.

It even happens on this forum quite a lot... Which is really where my issue with this thread has stemmed from. Its a sort of "Well here's what I personally think is true, and that's that! How dare you question it!" that's becoming pervasive all across society. Actually separating out fact from assumption and explaining logic / reasoning behind an opinion has gone completely out the window and, in fact, people get quite heated if you ask them to explain their logic. "Wot I fink" is supposed to just be accepted, no questions asked.

I personally blame Facebook / Twitter .

Was just going to say, I would blame social media for that

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Was just going to say, I would blame social media for that

I think it's getting worse, too! My local village has a facebook group, I've been on it for years but never post, and it's become an absolute scream to observe lately . It used to just be people posting old pics of the village, sharing childhood stories, the occasional announcement about fireworks night etc... but for the past few months it's been constant "classic facebook style" bickering. About anything and everything! 500 word rants about parking on the mainstreet, people not picking up dog poop, people annoyed about local school kids writing their names in some drying cement... all generating dozens of replies and arguments / mocking / bickering / "crying laughing face" snidiness.

I absolutely love it. It's a pretty affluent village so these are mainly people in their 50's+ living in £500,000+ homes... arguing like teenagers. It's a great read some nights.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think it's getting worse, too! My local village has a facebook group, I've been on it for years but never post, and it's become an absolute scream to observe lately . It used to just be people posting old pics of the village, sharing childhood stories, the occasional announcement about fireworks night etc... but for the past few months it's been constant "classic facebook style" bickering. About anything and everything! 500 word rants about parking on the mainstreet, people not picking up dog poop, people annoyed about local school kids writing their names in some drying cement... all generating dozens of replies and arguments / mocking / bickering / "crying laughing face" snidiness.

I absolutely love it. It's a pretty affluent village so these are mainly people in their 50's+ living in £500,000+ homes... arguing like teenagers. It's a great read some nights.

Yes we have one of those for road conditions and one for community news - its great for exposing vandals, people who let their dogs sh1te around the valley and some low lever bickering about bins and such like

[Crimson Dynamo]

thankfully the old dole-ite has been roundly criticised by all parties for his disgusting behavoir