[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Leavers will be more tolerant as they are generally older and that generations seems to tolerate more than most

girl I beg to differ

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Leavers will be more tolerant as they are generally older and that generations seems to tolerate more than most

This is more of an American thing but probably applies here too - people on the right are more open to dialogue and discussion, whereas those on the left just shut out any opposing views.

(Obviously this excludes far right nutters)

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

This is more of an American thing but probably applies here too - people on the right are more open to dialogue and discussion, whereas those on the left just shut out any opposing views.

(Obviously this excludes far right nutters)

I don't think it matters particularly when neither are open to change in opinion; if you want a firm example of this the "...change my mind" youtube videos are a great one. He discusses well, he articulates well, he listens fairly respectfully and maintains a decent intellectual discourse.

However his ideas are already set in concrete and he is very, very rarely open to "having his mind changed" and therein lies the problem. There's no point in open dialogue and discussion when the end result is the same unwavering dogma at the end of the discussion as at the beginning.

And this is where I don't think it's a political spectrum phenomena or a generational one; it's purely down to age. As we get older, we get better at accepting that we usually aren't going to change people's opinions, and thus, less frustrated when we try and fail, and more open to "agreeing to disagree" and then moving on and compartmentalising the discussion. Which is a good skill to have but it's one that most (vaguely intelligent) people gain with age and experience.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

This is more of an American thing but probably applies here too - people on the right are more open to dialogue and discussion, whereas those on the left just shut out any opposing views.

(Obviously this excludes far right nutters)

Are you a right wing person though? I'm not meaning it to try and cause an argument I'm just gonna say that everyone thinks that their side of the fence in politics is more open to dialogue and discussion when really I've seen both the right and the left be intolerant of debate at one point or another.

And if I'm being honest I do think that YouGov's poll is bogus because just on here alone I see a lot of intolerance from the Brexit (mainly voted for by people on the right wing) be way more stubborn over how to conclude the negotiations with the EU in a satisfactory way, they also do seem to be very happy to ignore nearly half the UK's wishes (who voted for Remain) for a soft Brexit and maybe even take the Norway model. I've also tended to notice that some Brexiters have been very big on the name calling during debates such as “snowflakes” “remoaners” “scroungers” etc etc which isn't really showing signs of a group that's tolerant towards opposing opinions imo.

But going back to my original point, everybody always sees the opposing sides in any kind of topic as stubborn and intolerant, it doesn't necessarily mean that they are.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

This is more of an American thing but probably applies here too - people on the right are more open to dialogue and discussion, whereas those on the left just shut out any opposing views.

(Obviously this excludes far right nutters)

That's not even remotely true. Democrats have been mocked for years for caving into the crazy demands of the right, even right wing pundits in the age of trump have begged them to grow a backbone.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't think it matters particularly when neither are open to change in opinion; if you want a firm example of this the "...change my mind" youtube videos are a great one. He discusses well, he articulates well, he listens fairly respectfully and maintains a decent intellectual discourse.

However his ideas are already set in concrete and he is very, very rarely open to "having his mind changed" and therein lies the problem.

While I agree Crowder may be set in his ways, it's pretty rare when anyone makes a compelling argument.

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Are you a right wing person though? I'm not meaning it to try and cause an argument I'm just gonna say that everyone thinks that their side of the fence in politics is more open to dialogue and discussion when really I've seen both the right and the left be intolerant of debate at one point or another.

I'm "right wing" on things like taxation and spending; I don't think wanting controlled immigration is right wing as it has pros and cons for both sides, especially as in my case it's mostly for keeping the building over green spaces low... I don't have particularly strong views on enough issues to be called right wing, so I just say I "lean right".

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

That's not even remotely true. Democrats have been mocked for years for caving into the crazy demands of the right, even right wing pundits in the age of trump have begged them to grow a backbone.

Y'mean like how they keep rejecting Trump's compromises?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Leavers will be more tolerant as they are generally older and that generations seems to tolerate more than most

Except for the gays, women and people who don't happen to be white given how a lot of equal rights have come into effect relatively recently.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Except for the gays, women and people who don't happen to be white given how a lot of equal rights have come into effect relatively recently.

not just that, anything new really, full stop

[bots]

Just wondering how tolerance in this case is measured objectively, it seems more like a "feeling"

[armand.kay]

the older generation can't even tolerate their favourite juice being discontinued

[Crimson Dynamo]

and we could get our proper suction hoovers back

[Crimson Dynamo]

and get back proper lightbulbs and bins

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lots EU decisions are taken under "qualified majority voting" rules, this is where countries voting weights depend on their size.

That means countries can be outvoted, and forced to accept decisions with which they disagree.

Britain is outvoted more often than any other country.

source: da Telegraph

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Lots EU decisions are taken under "qualified majority voting" rules, this is where countries voting weights depend on their size.

That means countries can be outvoted, and forced to accept decisions with which they disagree.

Britain is outvoted more often than any other country.

source: da Telegraph

Any specifics on which laws we can implement though?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Any specifics on which laws we can implement though?

i have given you hoovers, bulbs and bins -which I am sure you are relieved about in your dimly lit dusty home?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i have given you hoovers, bulbs and bins -which I am sure you are relieved about in your dimly lit dusty home?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i have given you hoovers, bulbs and bins -which I am sure you are relieved about in your dimly lit dusty home?

If I want to live in EU squalor, I will damn well live in EU squalor

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

If I want to live in EU squalor, I will damn well live in EU squalor

Portugal shade?

[Livia]

I have a mixture of political persuasions amongst my friends and family and I can't remember ever seriously falling out with anyone about politics. On the forum though... different matter. I've had friends turn into enemies because I disagree with their political stance.