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thesheriff443 · 04-12-2019, 01:34 AM

You can be a meat eater and still care for the welfare of animals and not want to be mistreated.

My rabbit just jumped on the bed licking my arm with his little tongue for head and face rub

ChristmasNeeve · 04-12-2019, 08:17 AM

Evil to who though? You? But you're not the victim, the animal is so what right do you have to judge it as a culture who also partakes in mass slaughter of animals?

If you were walking home tonight and someone hit you over the back of the head and kidnapped you, you wake up in their basement and they tell you they're going to kill you, would it matter to you if their reason was for a religious sacrifice or because they wanted to eat you? Would you say oh fair enough, if they fancied a bit of mock steak?

Merry Mockmas · 04-12-2019, 08:27 AM

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Evil to who though? You? But you're not the victim, the animal is so what right do you have to judge it as a culture who also partakes in mass slaughter of animals?

If you were walking home tonight and someone hit you over the back of the head and kidnapped you, you wake up in their basement and they tell you they're going to kill you, what it matter to you if there reason was for a religious sacrifice or because they wanted to eat you? Would you say oh fair enough, if they fancied a bit of mock steak?

But I've already said in my original post on this thread that it's not nice for the animals (I especially don't like the methods on how the animals are killed) but as we both know the different reasons as to why the animals are killed, I would rather them be killed for Meat consumption or possible cures for diseases over a 'God' telling them to do it, or to look fashionable in some way, or because it's a fun sport for the individual. But that's how I see it personally, I get however that you see it differently.

And for me I wouldn't want either, I'd rather take the brick.

Thankfully Cannibalism is an illegal activity so they're definitely worse morally. It probably helps that it's counted as murder.

ChristmasNeeve · 04-12-2019, 09:58 AM

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But I've already said in my original post on this thread that it's not nice for the animals (I especially don't like the methods on how the animals are killed) but as we both know the different reasons as to why the animals are killed, I would rather them be killed for Meat consumption or possible cures for diseases over a 'God' telling them to do it, or to look fashionable in some way, or because it's a fun sport for the individual. But that's how I see it personally, I get however that you see it differently.

And for me I wouldn't want either, I'd rather take the brick.

Thankfully Cannibalism is an illegal activity so they're definitely worse morally. It probably helps that it's counted as murder.

Cannibalism is illegal because we are humans, but on a moral level nothing wants to be killed to be eaten. You can say you're less evil than religious people who kill animals for sacrifice but they're not killing those animals because they are evil and just love killing things, they genuinely believe in what they're doing, just like most religious people do religious stuff because they genuinely believe it's right. So if they genuinely believe they're right, how does that make them evil? Just as you believe you're right to kill an animal for food. At the end of the day the end result is the animal is dead and it doesn't want to be dead, the animal is the only victim in either case and it doesn't give a **** why you did it, only that you did for a reason that benefits you

thesheriff443 · 04-12-2019, 08:46 AM

My brother was a butcher for 25 years and started a 13, he has worked in slaughter house culled dear and cut them up while still warm, but he won’t let a animal go hungry get cold or be in pain.

Merry Mockmas · 04-12-2019, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443

My brother was a butcher for 25 years and started a 13, he has worked in slaughter house culled dear and cut them up while still warm, but he won’t let a animal go hungry get cold or be in pain.

This is the thing I'm trying to get across.

You can eat Meat (or be a Butcher in your Brother's case) and still have animals that you care about and love.

For me personally I could never envision myself harming any animal (I even rarely ever harm bugs or Spiders) and in a strange way I kind of see my Cat as a close family relative of mine.

But imo if you can so cold heartedly kill an animal for Religious reasons then not only is that Religion tucked up, but it shows a lack of any compassion for animals imo.

Marsh. · 04-12-2019, 07:29 PM

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This is the thing I'm trying to get across.

You can eat Meat (or be a Butcher in your Brother's case) and still have animals that you care about and love.

For me personally I could never envision myself harming any animal (I even rarely ever harm bugs or Spiders) and in a strange way I kind of see my Cat as a close family relative of mine.

But imo if you can so cold heartedly kill an animal for Religious reasons then not only is that Religion tucked up, but it shows a lack of any compassion for animals imo.

I'm sure they have pet animals they care about too. They're not aliens.

thesheriff443 · 04-12-2019, 10:06 AM

I’d rather see an animal killed for food than one shot for sport.

Humans used to sacrifice humans for gifts to the gods.

Animals are killed by other animals it’s part of the food chain.

Kazanne · 04-12-2019, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I’d rather see an animal killed for food than one shot for sport.

Humans used to sacrifice humans for gifts to the gods.

Animals are killed by other animals it’s part of the food chain.

I know that sheriff ,but animals have no conscience that they are causing pain and distress for an ideology , and are all those slaughtered animals actually eaten ? and if its for food why is it only held every 5 years ? from the description the killing field is the size of a football pitch !!! you can only imagine the carnage and fear for those animals and people climbing poles to get a look, some people are barbaric, you only have to visit Spain/China etc to see that.

thesheriff443 · 04-12-2019, 10:45 AM

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I know that sheriff ,but animals have no conscience that they are causing pain and distress for an ideology , and are all those slaughtered animals actually eaten ? and if its for food why is it only held every 5 years ? from the description the killing field is the size of a football pitch !!! you can only imagine the carnage and fear for those animals and people climbing poles to get a look, some people are barbaric, you only have to visit Spain/China etc to see that.

I’m on your side, if you read back through.

Merry Mockmas · 04-12-2019, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I’d rather see an animal killed for food than one shot for sport.

Humans used to sacrifice humans for gifts to the gods.

Animals are killed by other animals it’s part of the food chain.

Exactly this.

I personally don't see how Meat eaters are just as evil as people that shoot Animals for Sport, but maybe I'm missing something.

thesheriff443 · 04-12-2019, 10:14 AM

Frankie Boyle does a joke, there is a vegetarian option, you can fxxx off.

ChristmasNeeve · 04-12-2019, 11:26 AM

Deleted some posts in here, can people try to stay on topic please

Marsh. · 04-12-2019, 11:36 AM

Uneducated for not seeing the world in the same way as LT.

Livia · 04-12-2019, 11:51 AM

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Uneducated for not seeing the world in the same way as LT.

Uneducated because they are uneducated. It's not a slur... it's a fact.

Marsh. · 04-12-2019, 11:54 AM

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Uneducated because they are uneducated. It's not a slur... it's a fact.

Not really. It's different moral standards.

Just because LT is not religious doesn't give him any highground.

Livia · 04-12-2019, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not really. It's different moral standards.

Just because LT is not religious doesn't give him any highground.

They aren't as advanced as we are. They are what we were... They are not educated. They may be intelligent... but educated? No.

LT owns the high ground. Or at least has a long-term lease on it.

Marsh. · 04-12-2019, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

They aren't as advanced as we are. They are what we were... They are not educated. They may be intelligent... but educated? No.

LT owns the high ground. Or at least has a long-term lease on it.

I was talking more his disparaging comments about religion, despite our own country's religious people and despite our apparently more educated population.

Well he'd have to purchase his high ground, he sure didn't earn it.

Kizzy · 04-12-2019, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

They aren't as advanced as we are. They are what we were... They are not educated. They may be intelligent... but educated? No.

LT owns the high ground. Or at least has a long-term lease on it.

I'm not religious either.. can I have some high ground?

Christmas Dynasnow · 04-12-2019, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not really. It's different moral standards.

Just because LT is not religious doesn't give him any highground.