[UserSince2005]

Its actually quiet emotional to see a strong black person not play the victim.
What a beautiful woman.

[bots]

She certainly has an interesting and refreshing stance on things

[bots]

i'm happy that someone has highlighted that BLM is a political movement that is not above scrutiny, it's about time

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i'm happy that someone has highlighted that BLM is a political movement that is not above scrutiny, it's about time

Yeah, if only folks had been allowed to criticise BLM

[bots]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Yeah, if only folks had been allowed to criticise BLM

i've seen people on here called racist because they didn't agree with some of the unsavoury things BLM have been up to. That's shutting down criticism

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i've seen people on here called racist because they didn't agree with some of the unsavoury things BLM have been up to. That's shutting down criticism

It's actually not shutting down criticism as two things can sometimes be true. BLM may/may not have overstepped the mark, and people criticising them may/may not also be racist.

I get called an anti semite all the time on here, and not once has it ever stopped me criticising Israel if I thought it was warranted.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i've seen people on here called racist because they didn't agree with some of the unsavoury things BLM have been up to. That's shutting down criticism

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

It's actually not shutting down criticism as two things can sometimes be true. BLM may/may not have overstepped the mark, and people criticising them may/may not also be racist.

I get called an anti semite all the time on here, and not once has it ever stopped me criticising Israel if I thought it was warranted.

I think that's a common mistake really, that "people being called stuff" is shutting down or stopping criticism... when that's entirely down to the critic. You can address it, counter it, or flat out ignore it and continue... it doesn't shut anything down. Really the only people who can be guilty of shutting down a debate are those in a position of literal power to do so; on here that would be mods and admin who can close threads/delete posts/implement bans.

I do think that "mob rule" has unfortunate scope for shutting down good debate as well, by simply swamping the debate to the point where it can't continue, but that doesn't apply on a platform as small as this one.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i've seen people on here called racist because they didn't agree with some of the unsavoury things BLM have been up to. That's shutting down criticism

If someone called me a racist, I'd argue back and say why they were talking ****. It wouldn't shut me down at all.

If a person can't think of a single reason why they aren't racist if someone calls them such then that speaks volumes about them.

I'm so tired of people acting like they're being 'shut down' when they simply lose an argument. No one is holding your mouth shut, stop playing the victim and defend yourself.

[Liam-]

Have people not been criticising blm the entire time?

[Kizzy]

It's not a theory if it happened, when things happen they cease to be theory and become facts.

They want to stop teaching facts. And that's dangerous.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's not a theory if it happened, when things happen they cease to be theory and become facts.

They want to stop teaching facts. And that's dangerous.

There's a difference between describing historical events, and adding subjective political context/assumed consequence of those events.

"[X] happened" is fact

"[X] happened which lead to [Y] and now today we have [Z]" is theory.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There's a difference between describing historical events, and adding subjective political context/assumed consequence of those events.

"[X] happened" is fact

"[X] happened which lead to [Y] and now today we have [Z]" is theory.

Then that cancels the whole premise of sociology, and a lot of new right theory, is all that to be dropped too?
Lone parents raise delinquent children... if you are jobless you are also feckless.. if you are raised surrounded by poverty and crime it's your fault if you're poor and involved with crime and criminals...

When's the debate on this?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then that cancels the whole premise of sociology, and a lot of new right theory, is all that to be dropped too?
Lone parents raise delinquent children... if you are jobless you are also feckless.. if you are raised surrounded by poverty and crime it's your fault if you're poor and involved with crime and criminals...

When's the debate on this?

Things being theory rather than fact "cancel the whole premise" of the academic discipline they belong to?

I think this might be coming from an incomplete understanding of what's (academically) meant by the word "theory". Theory is not synonymous with opinion, and academic theory is not layperson guesswork. But it's also not fact.

For example, gravity is theory. Very robustly proven theory, but theory nonetheless. I don't think we're planning to cancel physics.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Things being theory rather than fact "cancel the whole premise" of the academic discipline they belong to?

I think this might be coming from an incomplete understanding of what's (academically) meant by the word "theory". Theory is not synonymous with opinion, and academic theory is not layperson guesswork. But it's also not fact.

For example, gravity is theory. Very robustly proven theory, but theory nonetheless. I don't think we're planning to cancel physics.

I never mentioned physics...gravity is a fact Newton proved it remember?

Anyhoo, sociological theory is similar to political theory in a way that scientific theory isn't. So I suggest we only compare the two. You throwing in the straw man is not helpful.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what a speech. Schooling the opposite side of the house - have a watch and see what you think? (it's very watchable and NOT boring)

Equalities Minister Kemi Badenoch made a speech during a debate on Black
History Month, in which she said any British schools teaching critical race theory
are “breaking the law” and criticised the “anti-capitalist” Black Lives Matter
group.

Youtube video

She did not say that, she said if a teacher made statements like the police should be defined and presented theory as fact it would break the law.

I do think she herself could do with learning a thing or two on the subject before complaining about imaginary scenarios.

Contrary to some of the depictions on Twitter, on talk-shows and even in parliament
CRT does*not*view all White people as evil and racist.CRT does*not*peddle a view of Black people as powerless victims.CRT does*not*imagine that racism is the only social problem and thereby erase issues of class, gender, disability and other forms of discrimination.*


https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/researc...ory/index.aspx

[Kizzy]

Youtube video

[The Slim Reaper]

These jokers

[arista]

[Equalities Minister Kemi Badenoch made a speech during a debate on Black
History Month, in which she said any British schools teaching critical race theory
are “breaking the law” and criticised the “anti-capitalist” Black Lives Matter
group.]




Good on Kemi

[arista]

Yes The London Mayor
thinks he is down with the kids.