[MTVN]

Horses are one of the most athletic animals on the planet so it's not like they're being made to do something completely unnatural, plus the elite ones are so prized and well cared for that horses probably suffer a lot more in many other environments

No doubt there's a lot of shady practices in some parts of the industry though and they should always be looking for ways to make it safer

[joeysteele]

Flat racing less so.
I am though very uncomfortable with the jumps on races.

They do enjoy it, as in show jumping too.
However jumps of the level of the Grand National and also the number of Horses running I do consider cruel.

It is sad another was lost today.
If racing authorities can't make it safer themselves then they should be made to or I would support banning it.

Not flat racing however.
Any proven cruelty to Horses as in ownership should also carry penalties too definitely in my view.

[Alf]

People die in boxing, rugby, motor racing. Should they all be banned too?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Alf

People die in boxing, rugby, motor racing. Should they all be banned too?

No because THEY make a choice to do that ,animals dont have a choice.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

People die in boxing, rugby, motor racing. Should they all be banned too?

People choose to take the risk though

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

What happens to other horses? they go to special horse santuarys or are peoples pets we always get this argument,they just wouldn't be bred as much,so there would not be an overspill Im sure we have enough land to graze them on. It would eventually balance its self out.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

People choose to take the risk though

Some horses will refuse to run sometimes, so they have a choice too, sometimes they'll refuse to even start or refuse to jump a fence.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Some horses will refuse to run sometimes, so they have a choice too, sometimes they'll refuse to even start or refuse to jump a fence.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'll take that as a victory in this discussion.

Alf wins again.

[Zizu]

I always wondered why they only do one lap of the course and apparently it’s so they can get a team around injured horses .. put a tent around them ... then cart them off in a van ??


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[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I always wondered why they only do one lap of the course and apparently it’s so they can get a team around injured horses .. put a tent around them ... then cart them off in a van ??


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They do two laps.....you can normally tell when a horse is fatally injured as they miss that fence on the second lap and you can see the tent

[MTVN]

How much abuse/mistreatment of horses takes place amongst those who buy them as pets? People who can't afford to care for them properly or get bored of the expense and hassle. And how many dodgy dealers make a profit by selling them for that purpose to families where they know they won't be well cared for or where they get people on payment schemes they can't keep up with

Not a black or white issue imo

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

How much abuse/mistreatment of horses takes place amongst those who buy them as pets? People who can't afford to care for them properly or get bored of the expense and hassle. And how many dodgy dealers make a profit by selling them for that purpose to families where they know they won't be well cared for or where they get people on payment schemes they can't keep up with

Not a black or white issue imo

It is a black and white issue... private owners mistreating their horses has absolutely nothing to do with competitive horse breeding and racing? I don't really understand your logic. "It's complicated because private horse owners also sometimes treat horses badly, so that somehow makes it OK that the horse racing industry treats horses badly."

Shut down both

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It is a black and white issue... private owners mistreating their horses has absolutely nothing to do with competitive horse breeding and racing? I don't really understand your logic. "It's complicated because private horse owners also sometimes treat horses badly, so that somehow makes it OK that the horse racing industry treats horses badly."



Shut down both

Or prosecute owners like that instead, there are people who mistreat their dogs and people who mistreat their children too, you don't punish responsible owners or parents though

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It is a black and white issue... private owners mistreating their horses has absolutely nothing to do with competitive horse breeding and racing? I don't really understand your logic. "It's complicated because private horse owners also sometimes treat horses badly, so that somehow makes it OK that the horse racing industry treats horses badly."

Shut down both

So you're saying shut down private horse ownership?

[Alf]

Put your money where your mouths are.

Buy some stables and buy some horses, then you can protect them.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Put your money where your mouths are.

Buy some stables and buy some horses, then you can protect them.

Loads of people keep horses Alf, why is that an unusual concept to you?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Loads of people keep horses Alf, why is that an unusual concept to you?

My brother in law has 3...and keeps whining on that he is in a high paid job and cannot afford a foreign holiday, where we have a MUCH lower income and can afford 2 a year at a push. He doesn't seem to connect the dots, that without the horses he could most likely buy a bloody place abroad..must cost him a mint.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Alf

Put your money where your mouths are.

Buy some stables and buy some horses, then you can protect them.

Better still Alf,put your money into something more worthwhile than watching a horse whipped and pushed to exhaustion , how about a charity,or a animals sanctuary How do you know some of us don't already have horses ? all animals are expensive to keep properly.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Haven’t read any of the posts in here except the title coz i’m ignorant and fat so sorry if this has already been covered but

The fact that when the horses racing are injured they got euthanised like... obviously it’s cruel and to think otherwise is ****ing stupid

[user104658]

Yes, disgusting industry run entirely for the profit of themselves and the bookies. Dog racing is even worse. There's no real debate about it. The "who would care for them if..." argument is daft too - VERY short-term problem, if you couldn't breed and race horses for $$$$$ then people would simply stop breeding them for those purposes.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

You’re all fat btw

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Fetch The Bolt Cutters

You’re all fat btw

I'm pretty fat atm tbf, I blame Lockdown

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Fetch The Bolt Cutters

You’re all fat btw

Dummy phat

[bots]

horses like to run, so there is nothing inherently wrong with that. Whipping them to go faster and forcing them to jump fences that could easily be made "horse safe" for very little effort is cruel

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

horses like to run, so there is nothing inherently wrong with that. Whipping them to go faster and forcing them to jump fences that could easily be made "horse safe" for very little effort is cruel

Bit of a myth; they love to run, but they much prefer to run without someone on their back.