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arista · 24-11-2021, 09:44 AM

['Why all adults in the UK should
be made to have Covid jabs': As Austria makes vaccines mandatory,
a GP who has worked through the pandemic
and seen its shattering effect argues the case

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...gues-case.html

Dr David Lloyd is a GP
who supports mandatory vaccination,
at least for adults — arguing that there
should be a fine for those
who refuse to comply
Yes, it is controversial, but I am a GP who
supports mandatory vaccination,
at least for adults — and what's more,
there should be a fine for those who refuse to comply.

As someone who has been on the frontline
of this thing (and who is in the unusual
position of splitting my work between
Covid patients and non-Covid patients),
I strongly believe that the time has
come for the UK to take a stronger line,
as European countries are doing.

Frankly, we have no other choice,
because asking people to be vaccinated
is simply not working and the anti-vaxxers
are threatening our recovery.

And it's time to do it now.]

Liam- · 24-11-2021, 10:28 AM

It is a choice, but just like every other choices we make, this one comes with consequences, if you know that only vaccinated people are allowed into certain places or allowed to do certain things, choosing to remain unvaccinated means you purposefully choose to not be a part of those things

Niamh. · 24-11-2021, 10:56 AM

Definitely wouldn't be for forcing people to have it, absolutely not, as much as I'm pro vaccine and have had mine

Denver · 24-11-2021, 10:58 AM

People should get the choose but they should know there are consequences such as losing jobs involving vulnerable patients, you get a choice but not a free ride

user104658 · 24-11-2021, 11:27 AM

I keep seeing conflicting figures on the number of vaccinated/unvaccinated patients hospitalised with Covid. Lots of misinformation and hard to dig through. Some state that up to 1/3 are actually vaccinated, others that the vast majority are unvaccinated, and none of the data is segmented into demographics (e.g. by age or with underlying conditions). Harder than ever to get a clear picture.

bots · 24-11-2021, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I keep seeing conflicting figures on the number of vaccinated/unvaccinated patients hospitalised with Covid. Lots of misinformation and hard to dig through. Some state that up to 1/3 are actually vaccinated, others that the vast majority are unvaccinated, and none of the data is segmented into demographics (e.g. by age or with underlying conditions). Harder than ever to get a clear picture.

i think that is intentional. We keep being fed fluffy figures to match the relevant agenda of the moment.

To me it's obvious that we are being played, that still doesnt stop me being a supporter of vaccination, but i see whats going on, and that makes me very uncomfortable

arista · 24-11-2021, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I keep seeing conflicting figures on the number of vaccinated/unvaccinated patients hospitalised with Covid. Lots of misinformation and hard to dig through. Some state that up to 1/3 are actually vaccinated, others that the vast majority are unvaccinated, and none of the data is segmented into demographics (e.g. by age or with underlying conditions). Harder than ever to get a clear picture.

TS Please Stop trying to muddle this up
this GP Dr. David Lloyd
is Bang On Right
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...gues-case.html

Cherie · 24-11-2021, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I keep seeing conflicting figures on the number of vaccinated/unvaccinated patients hospitalised with Covid. Lots of misinformation and hard to dig through. Some state that up to 1/3 are actually vaccinated, others that the vast majority are unvaccinated, and none of the data is segmented into demographics (e.g. by age or with underlying conditions). Harder than ever to get a clear picture.

Given the protection even after booster is 94%, that still leaves 6% of vaccinated people who may end up in hospital, so you would expect some vaccinated to be in hospital

user104658 · 24-11-2021, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Given the protection even after booster is 94%, that still leaves 6% of vaccinated people who may end up in hospital, so you would expect some vaccinated to be in hospital

I still thinks it helps to have it broken down by demographic, e.g. what proportion of that 6% is very elderly or has underlying vascular or respiratory problems. Is the proportion the same as with the unvaccinated, etc. 94% is the "whole population" figure but it could actually be even higher than that in the "general population" if a large proportion of that 6% has other health problems.

Cherie · 24-11-2021, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I still thinks it helps to have it broken down by demographic, e.g. what proportion of that 6% is very elderly or has underlying vascular or respiratory problems. Is the proportion the same as with the unvaccinated, etc. 94% is the "whole population" figure but it could actually be even higher than that in the "general population" if a large proportion of that 6% has other health problems.

oh for sure they could drill down the figures alot more and give the public some context, for example the numbers in hospital with covid will include people who went in for something else but tested positive while there ...mothers in labour for instance

user104658 · 24-11-2021, 11:38 AM

Actually I think I was just over-simplifying the mats on this - it is true that it's about 2/3 of hospital patients who are unvaccinated (so 1/3 are vaccinated) but when you then factor in that most of the adult population, and a VERY high percentage of the elderly population, is vaccinated that statistic becomes much more dramatic when illustrating how effective they are. I could do the proportionate maths but I can't be bothered

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The basics are that in fact a HUGE majority of hospital cases of Covid in the under-75's are unvaccinated, and given that the unvaccinated make up only 10 - 15% of the population, that's even more significant.

Get your jabs folks

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bots · 24-11-2021, 12:17 PM

the more broken down the data is, the less wriggle room they have to promote their agenda. The other angle is that the more broken down the data is, the more it is likely it encroaches on patient confidentiality.

It's difficult

arista · 24-11-2021, 12:41 PM

Dr. Lloyd on the screen

Tom4784 · 24-11-2021, 02:10 PM

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Niamh. · 24-11-2021, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Nobody should be forced to have the vaccine. Instead, we should make it so that unvaccinated people without medical exceptions simply don't have the same access to events and such. Don't want to get vaccinated because you're dumb enough to believe bull**** on Facebook? Get used to not going to pubs, cinemas or any kind of events where you can spread your pro-disease germs around.

That's how it is here atm, you need a covid cert to eat indoors, drink indoors and for cinemas/concerts etc

arista · 24-11-2021, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's how it is here atm, you need a covid cert to eat indoors, drink indoors and for cinemas/concerts etc

Thats fair
The SkyNewsHD reporter there
said today it is spreading more, again.

Alf · 24-11-2021, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Nobody should be forced to have the vaccine. Instead, we should make it so that unvaccinated people without medical exceptions simply don't have the same access to events and such. Don't want to get vaccinated because you're dumb enough to believe bull**** on Facebook? Get used to not going to pubs, cinemas or any kind of events where you can spread your pro-disease germs around.

"We're not forcing you, we're just gonna take away everything you need until you consent"