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| View Poll Results: Do black (etc.) people have the right to have passively-antagonistic views on this? | ||||||
| Not-really - she did rub-hands with Mandela and in any case is a legend to be revered |
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| She did enable lots-of colonial disruption - I understand the mixed feelings |
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| ^ but in appropriate moderation (someone’s death is nothing to celebrate) |
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Crimson Dynamo | The voice of reason
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no doubt, as with a lot of these "tweets" she would have been pished when she did it or on something else
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She was stone-cold sober, trust-me.
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Maybe the title I gave was a bit of a misnomer because a lot of Britain’s history (the type they certainly don’t teach in schools) is shameful and it goes without-saying that I’m pretty hot on racism and whatnot so I’m the last person to want people to censor their views on history per se but it has to be directed at the appropriate source/s, not an old lady who literally had no choice to remain impartial to whatever the monarchical pieties of her respective time/s requested her do. People should not-have been directing death-wishes to her under any circumstances, not if she wasn’t-actually Hitler or Bin-Laden.
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Deny, Defend, Depose.
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A little old lady that wore a diamond worth over Ł400m on the top of her silly hat, that was stolen from Africa.
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This Witch doesn't burn
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Speaking just from personal experience I dont think English people hold a grudge against Germans apart from at football, as an Irish person whilst history should never be forgotton, and terrible fates were bestowed on those thought of as peasants by the Aristocracy, times have moved on I would in the main consider England to be an ally of the Republic and they bend over backwards to stay on friendly terms as an example, during covid the Irish could travel freely to England with no issue, it was not the same for people living in England travelling to Ireland who had to test, I hope the Northern Irish protocol does not upset relations because we have been on friendly terms for years now again apart from Sport and long may that remain, history has its place but we should not live in the past, it is not very healthy
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Crimson Dynamo | The voice of reason
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Personally no I don't.
I think it's one of them, let her express her views, but people that don't agree with her can also express what they think of her comments.
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Crimson Dynamo | The voice of reason
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It's not a view or opinion it's venomous hate speech
Huge difference |
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Off-topic slightly but I honestly-thought the queen would make 100.
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If you want to blame one woman for the wrong doings in history you are obviously a complete dick head
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Hands off my Brick!
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I think it's a little bit more complex than blaming one woman for the wrong doings in History, it's what she represents more than her as a person which is the Monarchy and an Empire that did a lot of damage to many countries in the world. You can't be the Queen of Britain for the good stuff but just a little old lady when it comes to the more unsavory parts.
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The facts are people don’t know what they are talking about The queen represents the country she does rule the country People vote in governments and it’s those governments that rule this country |
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lets be in no doubt, if the queen had her way we would all still be stuck in the 1950's. She resisted change and progress at every opportunity
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literally everything. She didn't even champion her own sisters wish to marry a divorced man, telling her that if she went ahead she would be cut off financially and thrown out of the family. She refused to acknowledge that Diana's death had any importance and stopped any form of official recognition until she was told that if she didn't change course the monarchy was over.
The royal family have been unpleasant from my earliest recollections, i don't know how else to put it, she insisted on sticking to protocols born in the 50's or earlier until she was told if she didnt budge she would be out |
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All hail the Moyesiah
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Its a very difficult balancing act. On the one hand there does need to be an element of modernisation but a monarchy by its very nature is a traditionalist institution and many people would say that the traditions are vital its longevity and stability over so many years |
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All hail the Moyesiah
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My main source is the Crown lol, which might not be strictly accurate but it does go into a lot of detail on the problems with Margaret's attempted marriage
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Crimson Dynamo | The voice of reason
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The British Empre did many good things miles ahead of others
Like abolish Slavery in 1807 Or stopping the practice of Suttee in India 2 name but 2 |
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thesheriff443
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If you look at the crowds that will be out to show their respect on the day of her funeral, you will see people from all walks of life and ethnicity come together.
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