[Cherie]

I cant follow the tweet thread at all, or at least I gave up at terfblocker ..

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I cant follow the tweet thread at all, or at least I gave up at terfblocker ..

Basically - The guy in the first tweet who is a paedophile/sex offender made some app that blocks "terfs" on twitter so must have compiled some sort of list of people/accounts he considers to be Terfs, H from Steps must have blocked a load of twitter accounts recently so Graham (and others?) assumed that he used this block list app thing that the sex offender guy made and that's "the link" (I think that's it)

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

He used an app. SB and slim linked to Epstein's island (if bills visits there are ever brought fully into daylight) as their use of windows becomes public knowledge.

Yes but as I said above, multiple people noticed that they had been randomly blocked by a celebrity (H from Steps) despite never having any interaction with him, and that's what led to the discovery of the app, and the #BlockedByH meme.

Again I recognise that all of this assumes a level of background knowledge that many people seeing those tweets are not going to have, nor could they be expected to, and I acknowledge that he was deliberately trying to make that "gay people are linked to child molesters" link as mentioned by Liam, to generate deliberate outrage.

I think the whole thing is just a massive dog whistle to his own followers in all honesty.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Basically - The guy in the first tweet who is a paedophile/sex offender made some app that blocks "terfs" on twitter so must have compiled some sort of list of people/accounts he considers to be Terfs, H from Steps must have blocked a load of twitter accounts recently so Graham (and others?) assumed that he used this block list app thing that the sex offender guy made and that's "the link" (I think that's it)

Well... sort of.

The app was supposedly made or at least promoted by the daughter (trans woman, also a now-disgraced politician) of the offender, not the offender himself.

The daughter also has other links to child sex fetishism (hence being a now-disgraced politician). Also Stonewall.

H from Steps, or whoever controls his Twitter if he doesn't do it himself, definitely used the block list.

A lot of people have alerts set that show them who they've been blocked by - these people noticed they'd suddenly all been blocked by H from Steps

#BlockedByHFromSteps started trending

It was sleuthed that it was "TERFblocker" that had been used

Unfortunately forever linking TERFblocker with the hashtag about H from Steps.


Caveats being;

- It might not even have been made by Aimee Challenor

- Even if it was, people using it would have had no way of knowing that at the time

- Even if they did know of her involvement, people wouldn't necessarily have known who she is, what her history is or about her family (there is actually even more to that part of it)



It IS a tenuous link but I still maintain that the link exists because of the hashtag, and the hashtag long predates this tweet from Graham Linehan, though he is exploiting it.


tl;dr MURKY AS **** and no one comes off well talking about this stuff so it should be left to rot along with the chap in prison.

[Niamh.]

Thanks SB, in conclusion Twitter is a filthy cesspit

[Niamh.]

An interesting discussion to pass the afternoon though, good job Slim

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wont be listening to Steps anymore

that them done

[Liam-]

So nobody really knows who created it, but people are happy to just guess and assume it was created by this bloke who’s in prison and now people are content for an innocent man to once again be linked to a sex offender for no reason, seems on brand for the people involved

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

So nobody really knows who created it, but people are happy to just guess and assume it was created by this bloke who’s in prison and now people are content for an innocent man to once again be linked to a sex offender for no reason, seems on brand for the people involved

Who in this thread said they were happy for him to be linked to it?

[Mystic Mock]

Is he trying to compare H to the sick **** from Lostprophets?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Is he trying to compare H to the sick **** from Lostprophets?

No but that's what I thought initially too

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No but that's what I thought initially too

So I'm glad it weren't just me then.

But looking at what this thread is really about, how can H be held accountable for what someone else does? That sounds really unfair to me.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Is he trying to compare H to the sick **** from Lostprophets?

No but one of the papers did that by accident (not just compared him, but mistakenly said it WAS him) and that was DEFINITELY a libel case .

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

So nobody really knows who created it, but people are happy to just guess and assume it was created by this bloke who’s in prison and now people are content for an innocent man to once again be linked to a sex offender for no reason, seems on brand for the people involved

Well there is a reason, it's just a convoluted and not very good reason.

I suppose important not to conflate "reason" with "justification". I would agree that there's no justification for making the link or furthering it by posting tweets like the one in question. That's a different discussion though when it comes down to it... "Is there a link" vs "did he do anything wrong and thus is it fair to highlight that link". Yes to the first, no to the second .

[Liam-]

No there’s not a link, because you admitted nobody knows who created the function, it’s just a ‘belief’ without any proof which has lead to him being wrongly associated with a sex offender again, it’s ridiculous and I’m actually quite shocked that you’ve fallen so far as to defend it tbh

[Liam-]

I remember that hashtag trending on twitter actually and as I went through it I was thoroughly unsurprised to see it full of angry bigots attacking him and his family for being wrong, unnatural and unethical, colour me shocked that transphobia so easily flows into open homophobia by the ‘we’re not bigots!’ crowd

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I think the whole thing is just a massive dog whistle to his own followers in all honesty.

This is the part we agree on, how we got here was at times bizarre and unnecessary.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

An interesting discussion to pass the afternoon though, good job Slim

Good guy slim keeping the kids off the streets. You're welcome

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

No there’s not a link, because you admitted nobody knows who created the function, it’s just a ‘belief’ without any proof which has lead to him being wrongly associated with a sex offender again, it’s ridiculous and I’m actually quite shocked that you’ve fallen so far as to defend it tbh

The twitter hashtag is the semantic link in and of itself, the accuracy of it isn't relevant because I'm not defending or validating it as a genuine link other than pointing out how the topics are linked. I've already said they're unfairly linked. But things being unfairly linked doesn't ... unlink them... and me, you or anyone else knowing that the link is wrong doesn't erase the hashtag.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

This is the part we agree on, how we got here was at times bizarre and unnecessary.

It's mainly because I think drawing attention to the Challenors - when Aimee Challenor is one of the few verified examples of where things have clearly gone very wrong. I know that the intent is to put a spotlight on Linehan but as far as picking an example tweet goes... this one flies very close to the sun. H from Steps has done nothing wrong at all but the Challenors have clear and demonstrable links to child sex fetishism, Aimee Challenor is a trans woman, and her status as such allowed her to rise in mainstream politics when she otherwise would not have (no other notable achievements or qualifications of any kind).

It's not where you want the spotlight going. SURELY not.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hitting out: In October Ian shut down a troll who called him a 'coward' for failing to have a
male love interest in 2001 video for It's The Way You Make Me Feel (pictured)

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

It's mainly because I think drawing attention to the Challenors - when Aimee Challenor is one of the few verified examples of where things have clearly gone very wrong. I know that the intent is to put a spotlight on Linehan but as far as picking an example tweet goes... this one flies very close to the sun. H from Steps has done nothing wrong at all but the Challenors have clear and demonstrable links to child sex fetishism, Aimee Challenor is a trans woman, and her status as such allowed her to rise in mainstream politics when she otherwise would not have (no other notable achievements or qualifications of any kind).

It's not where you want the spotlight going. SURELY not.

Not sure why we've put it back in reverse, and are now driving back over the dead horse.

You've admitted numerous times that H has done nothing wrong, and that's all that needed to be said - the challenor stuff could be a good thread/discussion for a slow day next week, but in terms of anything that Linehan wrote about H, or H himself, is completely irrelevant.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Not sure why we've put it back in reverse, and are now driving back over the dead horse.

You've admitted numerous times that H has done nothing wrong, and that's all that needed to be said - the challenor stuff could be a good thread/discussion for a slow day next week, but in terms of anything that Linehan wrote about H, or H himself, is completely irrelevant.

The thread is about your signature, which pertains to three people; Linehan, H from Steps and Challenor (complete with picture) and the thread question is "is this (sig) ok?".

It's not off topic.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I remember that hashtag trending on twitter actually and as I went through it I was thoroughly unsurprised to see it full of angry bigots attacking him and his family for being wrong, unnatural and unethical, colour me shocked that transphobia so easily flows into open homophobia by the ‘we’re not bigots!’ crowd

Very true...but life in general is like that...people rant and rave at people and about people l, they gossip and monger at their will. Everyone about anyone.