[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Zizu

It’s a completely different game with completely different skill levels imho

It’s like having an amateur artist offering an appraisal on a Rembrandt ..


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Feather weight boxing is completely different to heavy weight too, same in MMA the heavy weight fights are completely different to the lighter divisions. You're just coming across as very sexist now again as you always do with women's sports Zizu

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Sorry but it’s nothing close to being the same level .. it’s nothing to do with understanding the rules of the game


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Well, that's not what you said earlier up the thread:

Originally Posted by Zizu

Michael Owen wasn’t my fave player but he was the World Player and played at the very top with Liverpool, Real Madrid and England

Robbie Savage is a character who had a very long and successful career including time as international player .. footballing-wise he wasn’t everyone’s cup of tea as he was midfield grafter ( neither was Gary Neville who I love as a pundit ) .

At least we know they were good players and know what they’re talking about .

We have no idea if these women know the first thing about the game .


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I think if they are playing top flight football in their respective leagues and for their respective clubs and countries, they will know what they are talking about.

We women are capable of understanding a game you know

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So what? that's like saying a feather weight ex boxer can't commentate on a Heavy weight fight. Of course they can.

They can commentate but it would be far better to get an actual heavyweight who has full knowledge of that weight division - the idea is to get the best people to commentate not shoehorn in the latest woke zeitgeist to get producer brownie points

[Father Chris Mouse]

I can honestly say i hardly ever watch any punditry anymore, nearly all of it is a load of bollocks. The only panel i like is the US Paramount+ CL coverage. Thierry, Carra, Big Meeks and the perfect Kate Abdo. They're much less uptight and preachy like here in the UK, they have a laugh, but also talk sense.

The fact is most women just don't watch the woman's domestic game. It will never be equal, the female players will never get anywhere the same money as men, unless it's watched and supported. It's on free TV every weekend, unlike the mens. But it's still nowhere near watched, attended, or supported compared to men's game.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

They can commentate but it would be far better to get an actual heavyweight who has full knowledge of that weight division - the idea is to get the best people to commentate not shoehorn in the latest woke zeitgeist to get producer brownie points

But you never hear people coming online saying "Oh what's Barry Mcguigan doing coming on talking about Tyson Fury fighting, what does he know about heavy weight boxing he'd get beaten by the 100th ranked Heavyweight boxer blah blah blah"

[Father Chris Mouse]

Also studies have found that it's men who watch more women's football than women. some studies have even found that men are twice as more likely to watch women's domestic football than women are. Up to 64% of men compared to as little as 18% of women will watch the female domestic game.

Women are also allocated more of the revenue gained/earned in major tournaments compared to the men's major tournaments. It was something like 20% to the women, and 8% to the men.

However, as far as attendance, and viewing amongst younger girls and teens, the female game has never been as popular as it is now. The next generation of girls are more likely to take up football than ever before.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Well, that's not what you said earlier up the thread:


I think if they are playing top flight football in their respective leagues and for their respective clubs and countries, they will know what they are talking about.

We women are capable of understanding a game you know

I wasn’t talking about the RULES !!

All the refs know the RULES yet they are all completely hoodwinked each and every game by the players diving / cheating/ grabbing / nipping / falling on the ball ..


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Feather weight boxing is completely different to heavy weight too, same in MMA the heavy weight fights are completely different to the lighter divisions. You're just coming across as very sexist now again as you always do with women's sports Zizu

I really don’t think it’s anything to do with sexism ..

I work in a female dominated workplace and the vast majority ( and my lovely wife ) feel exactly the same as I do .

I prefer being around women to men and believe that women are probably better at most things - that doesn’t sound like a sexist attitude to me to be fair ..

I’m the polar opposite to many beer swilling , foul mouthed blokes as well soooooo


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[Alf]

Two time Ballon d'or winner. Only Englishman to win it twice. You have to respect the opinion of King Kevin.

Liverpool wouldn't be the club they are without Keegan. It wasn't Shankly that made them. It was Keegan.

[bots]

Golf is a completely different game for men and women and yet there are loads of women commentators in the mens game that are highly respected. And, golf was one of the most sexist sports in the world up until a few short years ago.

I never give women golf commentators a second thought, its just natural to me

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Golf is a completely different game for men and women and yet there are loads of women commentators in the mens game that are highly respected. And, golf was one of the most sexist sports in the world up until a few short years ago.

I never give women golf commentators a second thought, its just natural to me

Maybe it’s more complex than we all think ..

I’d much sooner rather have someone like Nick Faldo explain the finer points of golf at a crucial moment than a woman I’ve never seen or heard of before

How on Earth is that sexist ?


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[bots]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Maybe it’s more complex than we all think ..

I’d much sooner rather listen to Nick Faldo explain the finer points of golf at a crucial moment than a woman I’ve never seen or heard of before

How on Earth is that sexist ?


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Nick Faldo is now struggling with his words, and is a bit slow and confused, how you can say you prefer listening to him than a very competent woman is beyond me

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Nick Faldo is now struggling with his words, and is a bit slow and confused, how you can say you prefer listening to him than a very competent woman is beyond me

Well Nick Faldo was simply the first name who came to mind … any WELL KNOWN male golfer is my point ..


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[GiRTh]

Is it the same with Tennis? Are female Tennis pundits incapable of commentating on mens games.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Is it the same with Tennis? Are female Tennis pundits incapable of commentating on mens games.

If I know the player .. like Martina Navratilova or Chrissie Evert or similar then that’s great .. if it’s someone ( male or female) then I’m not interested


It’s nothing to do with being sexist that’s for certain


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[Father Chris Mouse]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Is it the same with Tennis? Are female Tennis pundits incapable of commentating on mens games.

Not that im really into Tennis, but Serena Williams has said many times that the men's and women's games are completely different.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Swan

Not that im really into Tennis, but Serena Williams has said many times that the men's and women's games are completely different.

Her opinion would still be valid on the men's game though as would a male tennis player on a women's match

[bots]

Originally Posted by Zizu

If I know the player .. like Martina Navratilova or Chrissie Evert or similar then that’s great .. if it’s someone ( male or female) then I’m not interested


It’s nothing to do with being sexist that’s for certain


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So what you are saying is familiarity is the key element which will clear itself as an issue naturally as you get used to seeing them all the time

[Father Chris Mouse]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Her opinion would still be valid on the men's game though as would a male tennis player on a women's match

All opinions are valid. It comes down to who has the best knowledge of the game though. Women will know their game better, just like men know theirs better.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Swan

All opinions are valid. It comes down to who has the best knowledge of the game though. Women will know their game better, just like men know theirs better.

They're still all playing the same sport competitively and different perspectives are good.

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Well Nick Faldo was simply the first name who came to mind … any WELL KNOWN male golfer is my point ..


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And if it was an unknown professional male golfer or an unknown professional female golfer,who would you listen to more?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

So what you are saying is familiarity is the key element which will clear itself as an issue naturally as you get used to seeing them all the time

Not really .. it’s not familiarity per-se .. it’s knowing that the pundit in question is qualified to speak on the subject.. that comes from me watching them perform to the highest standard over many years ..

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[Father Chris Mouse]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They're still all playing the same sport competitively and different perspectives are good.

Yeah i agree with that.

Originally Posted by AnnieK

And if it was an unknown professional male golfer or an unknown professional female golfer,who would you listen to more?

In that circumstance it would all depend on who had watched the most, had the most knowledge of the sport. If both had watched the same the amount give or take, been into it for the same amount of years, then both opinions are equal. Gender wouldn't and shouldn't play a part.

[Zizu]

I would add that I don’t watch women’s football .. I’ve tried it over the years- at the major competitions but it leaves me cold - so I don’t know any of the ex women players ..

One of my other gripes is that the ex female pundits/ players when talking about the current women always go way over the top in describing how good they are .. “ unbelievable technique “ or “ fabulous vision “ , “ absolutely amazing passer of ball” - when in reality they are nothing like as good as they describe .

Again that’s not being sexist it’s just my considered opinion


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[Parmy]

Hes allowed his own taste.