[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Punishing them by not mandating access to an unfair advantage in competitive sports? Again, all they're saying is it has to be left to the professional bodies who are responsible for upholding fair competition in these sports.

For example, they DID allow it in swimming, until the work was done and they concluded that there was a clear, distinct advantage for biologically male trans women over natal females in swimming competitions. They did the research. They discovered that it's an unfair competitive advantage. No number of dining table scientists with zero qualifications talking speculative rot about the effect of hormone therapy and chanting "no it isn't, transphobe!!" is going to change the simple facts.

Research is transphobic In all seriousness though it's ludicrous they even had to let it go to that and to actually punish all those female swimmers who had to swim against Lia Thomas for as long as they did in the meantime, anyone with eyes could have told you that Lia had biological advantages brought on by male puberty over the female athletes

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

It's not even that I'm going to deny they exist, there are plenty of bigots gleefully piggybacking on the issue, we all know who they are, but at the end of the day that's largely irrelevant background noise when considering the actual issue. Public opinion one way or the other doesn't come into any of this. Safety, safeguarding and professional competitive standards are the ONLY considerations that people in charge should be concerning themselves with.

Of course as there is on every topic. What bothers me about the bigot chants on this particular topic though is it's quite clearly a strong women's rights issue here and it's the women who are being punished and who are being told shut up and move over if they dare try to speak up for themselves. Like I said above, it's a disgrace that had even gotten to the place it had.

[bots]

Equality and anti discrimination, as concepts, just don't work when they are allowed to flourish without limitation. The reason being it provides a pathway to legitimacy for complete and utter nutters who are hell bent on destroying everything that is stable, balanced and right around us.

Yes, we can all have the best of intentions to improve the lives of the down trodden and exploited, but when the concepts of equality and anti discrimination are are left to flourish unchecked we get chaos.

People may jump up and down and complain at that notion, but we are seeing a glimpse of what a world based on those simple constructs will lead us

This is why everyone looks around and says ..... wtf? .... because we just cant understand why such noble goals have led us to where the world is now

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Nah, bigots that enjoy punishing trans people

yeah those young girls who get up at 5am every morning to swim and train before school for years, get the times to qualify for the world championships or the Olympics or some other competition and are then beaten by women born as men who have been through puberty so who by biology are stronger , they should just suck that up as **** happens .....as you would if it were happening to you.... call us what you like, women will always resist this injustice

[Beso]

Have a trans Olympics, something for meghan to promote.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Nah, bigots that enjoy punishing trans people

I agree with you Liam that there will be a fair few people that will love taking the rights away from Transpeople, I would be lying if I said otherwise.

However, I don't believe that biological women should be punished in their own Sports when they've done nothing wrong, which is what's currently happening by having them take on Transwomen, who are biologically male.

Unfortunately Sports have to operate on a form of Science, rather than on emotion.

Like take Boxing for example, you can't have a Heavyweight take on a Bantamweight, without the Bantamweight bulking up to be closer to the Heavyweight's size, because at their current size, it wouldn't be safe for the Bantamweight to fight a Heavyweight. Just like it isn't safe for women to take on Transwomen at physical competitions like what Sports are.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I agree with you Liam that there will be a fair few people that will love taking the rights away from Transpeople, I would be lying if I said otherwise.

However, I don't believe that biological women should be punished in their own Sports when they've done nothing wrong, which is what's currently happening by having them take on Transwomen, who are biologically male.

Unfortunately Sports have to operate on a form of Science, rather than on emotion.

Like take Boxing for example, you can't have a Heavyweight take on a Bantamweight, without the Bantamweight bulking up to be closer to the Heavyweight's size, because at their current size, it wouldn't be safe for the Bantamweight to fight a Heavyweight. Just like it isn't safe for women to take on Transwomen at physical competitions like what Sports are.

He wont respond to this, as there is no logical response to support his view, which is everyone BIGOT

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

He wont respond to this, as there is no logical response to support his view, which is everyone BIGOT

I think Liam will have more to say than that.

He is very passionate on the topic, which is a good thing.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I think Liam will have more to say than that.

Prepared to be proved wrong Mock

[Beso]

Darts..they can do that. Look at luke littler, hes really a teenage girl thats been on pubic blockers.

Only his boobs dont add up with his name and the blockers claim.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Prepared to be proved wrong Mock

Tbf, he isn't obligated to reply.

I just hope that he can at least understand my stance on the topic.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf, he isn't obligated to reply.

I just hope that he can at least understand my stance on the topic.

well he should reply as he calls anyone who doesn't agree with him a bigot? he should be able to explain his stance, if not then he is just a troll imo
why should you feel you have to bend to his point of view when you have articulated your viewpoint intelligently ....now it is over to him