[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by kazanne

IF criminals were dealt with properly by the system,IF they were given LIFE instead of a few poxy years,people would NOT be calling for the death penalty,but it's all IFS and buts as the system has failed so many children who have been killed or abused,THAT is why those of us who have had to suffer these things first hand feel so passionate about the way murderers are dealt with,you get more for robbing a bank in this country than you do for child murder,that is WRONG.

i didnt know robbers of banks get into more trouble than sick bastards that murder children.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by InOne

Definitely, but even you yourself are not 100% sure how you'd act, yet you seem to lay it down that that is the only course of action you'd take.

Well I am not able to see into the future (thankfully) and one thing I do know for sure is that we can never be sure of anything, since any random chain of events may or may not result in a specific outcome. I am not stupid enough to believe that I can anticipate every eventuality I may be confronted with at a set moment in future time and categorically state "I will definitely do such and such". I don't know of anyone who would be that confident. I can only say that the probability that I would follow a course of action, if such and such events occurred are pretty clear cut to me, but I would always have to allow for random variables.

[InOne]

I still also don't get what makes jedward intelligent by agreeing with you all and going in to graphic details of how he'd murder people? I noticed he got a random load of praise a few pages a while back when he's hasn't really contributed anything.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

True and I agree with that and think that longer sentences need to be utilised more but I can't condone captial punishment or vigilantism. It does nothing for the victims and cheapens us all.

But as I said earlier, the prison system is far too overcrowded (something like 25%) as it is and its not as simple as just setting up a new one. There are a lot of costs involved within a prison infrastructure. What needs to happen is harsher punishments within the existing system.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally Posted by Tom

But as I said earlier, the prison system is far too overcrowded (something like 25%) as it is and its not as simple as just setting up a new one. There are a lot of costs involved within a prison infrastructure. What needs to happen is harsher punishments within the existing system.

Bring back conscription for repeat offenders! That would solve a lot of problems and might actually make them value their lives and freedom, and instill some kind of discipline and respect.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by MissKittyFantastico

Bring back conscription for repeat offenders! That would solve a lot of problems and might actually make them value their lives and freedom, and instill some kind of discipline and respect.

This I agree with,then,let them fight all they want

[Tom]

Originally Posted by MissKittyFantastico

Bring back conscription for repeat offenders! That would solve a lot of problems and might actually make them value their lives and freedom, and instill some kind of discipline and respect.

Some will see it as a badge of honour though even moreso than prison. I think the problem lies with how prisons are. They have all of their human rights and its very comfortable e.g. TVs in cells.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally Posted by Tom

Some will see it as a badge of honour though even moreso than prison. I think the problem lies with how prisons are. They have all of their human rights and its very comfortable e.g. TVs in cells.

Well they'll certainly get a rougher time of it in the army or whatever than they will in a prison cell that's for sure, plus they will learn discipline and actually be doing something worthwhile instead of sitting on their backsides in a cushy prison cell watching TV and playing computer games (like you say).

[MTVN]

Wow, this thread has gained 15 pages since last night

[Angus]

Originally Posted by InOne

I still also don't get what makes jedward intelligent by agreeing with you all and going in to graphic details of how he'd murder people? I noticed he got a random load of praise a few pages a while back when he's hasn't really contributed anything.

He has posted on several other threads you know, and in any case what on earth is it to do with anyone other than us? Just because you don't agree with it, doesn't mean your opinion is more valid than ours.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by InOne

I still also don't get what makes jedward intelligent by agreeing with you all and going in to graphic details of how he'd murder people? I noticed he got a random load of praise a few pages a while back when he's hasn't really contributed anything.

i was but it was just a different opinion to you.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by InOne

I still also don't get what makes jedward intelligent by agreeing with you all and going in to graphic details of how he'd murder people? I noticed he got a random load of praise a few pages a while back when he's hasn't really contributed anything.

I've just looked back over a few posts and noticed this as well. Apparently repeatedly posting "i agree" and "i would be a hero for killing ian huntley" make you an incredibly intelligent person with a brilliant "grasp on humanity".

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by angus58

He has posted on several other threads you know, and in any case what on earth is it to do with anyone other than us? Just because you don't agree with it, doesn't mean your opinion is more valid than ours.

Bit ironic considering you have no time for anyone who disagrees with you, and never seem capable of comprehending an alternative point of view, instead seemingly holding them in contempt and presuming that they knowing of the world.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by angus58

He has posted on several other threads you know, and in any case what on earth is it to do with anyone other than us? Just because you don't agree with it, doesn't mean your opinion is more valid than ours.

Your opinion is founded on pretty much nothing, so in this case it is.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I've just looked back over a few posts and noticed this as well. Apparently repeatedly posting "i agree" and "i would be a hero for killing ian huntley" make you an incredibly intelligent person with a brilliant "grasp on humanity".

because i have a different opinion to you dosent mean i aint contributing to the debate.

and why should people care about what happens to pedophiles or serial killers? and im not as bad as them if i killed anyone of them because i am not hurting innocent people.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I've just looked back over a few posts and noticed this as well. Apparently repeatedly posting "i agree" and "i would be a hero for killing ian huntley" make you an incredibly intelligent person with a brilliant "grasp on humanity".

Not to mention being a parent themselves. Yeah, because all of these chavettes who have one too many WKDs and open their legs are opening their legs to a sense of perspective, not a bit of chav cock.

They totally lack reason and composure. But whatever, let them harp on about what they'd do to this criminal. The fact of the matter is that, if they were to come face to face with such criminals, they'd sheepishly mutter something about how bad they are

It's very easy to come across as the authoritarian behind a computer screen

[InOne]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I've just looked back over a few posts and noticed this as well. Apparently repeatedly posting "i agree" and "i would be a hero for killing ian huntley" make you an incredibly intelligent person with a brilliant "grasp on humanity".

Yep, seems an odd way of paronising someone who clearly doesn't have much of a clue and can't really form an opinion. I know it sounds blunt, but it just seemed a bit much to give him all that praise.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Not to mention being a parent themselves. Yeah, because all of these chavettes who have one too many WKDs and open their legs are opening their legs to a sense of perspective, not a bit of chav cock.

They totally lack reason and composure. But whatever, let them harp on about what they'd do to this criminal. The fact of the matter is that, if they were to come face to face with such criminals, they'd sheepishly mutter something about how bad they are

It's very easy to come across as the authoritarian behind a computer screen

and its very easy to come across as a saint on the forum aswell.

and im 14 so i aint got children.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by InOne

Yep, seems an odd way of paronising someone who clearly doesn't have much of a clue and can't really form an opinion. I know it sounds blunt, but it just seemed a bit much to give him all that praise.

but i did form an opinion,just not yours.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

but i did form an opinion,just not yours.

Not really, you agreed with a few people, then went on about how you could easily murder a paedophile.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

well, I ask myself this question - If say my brother was raped and brutally murdered and my mother killed the murderer would I think she was wrong and look at her as a criminal and I would answer No, I would think she was completely justified.

Strong point,and I liked your earlier point as to life being life in Prison then no one would need to worry that particular 'vile' abuser would ever harm a child again.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Not to mention being a parent themselves. Yeah, because all of these chavettes who have one too many WKDs and open their legs are opening their legs to a sense of perspective, not a bit of chav cock.

They totally lack reason and composure. But whatever, let them harp on about what they'd do to this criminal. The fact of the matter is that, if they were to come face to face with such criminals, they'd sheepishly mutter something about how bad they are

It's very easy to come across as the authoritarian behind a computer screen

Yep, I agree. The way that parents are being put on a pedastol above those without children makes no sense. Surely those who are not parents are more able to approach an issue like this with more rationality, without being guided purely by heightened emotions.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

because i have a different opinion to you dosent mean i aint contributing to the debate.

and why should people care about what happens to pedophiles or serial killers? and im not as bad as them if i killed anyone of them because i am not hurting innocent people.

But the point is you didnt really form your own opinion, you just agreed with kazanne and angus, and then because they were glad to see somebody taking their side they heaped a whole load of praise on you.

If somebody murders someone then they are a killer. If you then execute that murderer you too are a killer. And then the only thing to differentiate between the two of you is a misguided and misplaced concept of "justice".

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by InOne

Not really, you agreed with a few people, then went on about how you could easily murder a paedophile.

well you have got to do something to pedophiles and killers because prisons are getting overfilled with them,so if you dont want them dead chop there hands off so when they do come out they cant commit crimes again,or you kill them so they never can hurt anybody again.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

well you have got to do something to pedophiles and killers because prisons are getting overfilled with them,so if you dont want them dead chop there hands off so when they do come out they cant commit crimes again,or you kill them so they never can hurt anybody again.

That is exactly what Kazanne said. And could YOU yourself chop somebodys hands off?